[Didymus Much]

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...People were Jewish before Jesus came down and even before that there were the Roman and Greek gods/ goddesses...

If we accept the Biblical account, then Judaism started with Abraham.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham : "...the most that can be said with some degree of certainty is that the standard Hebrew text of Genesis places Abraham in the earlier part of the second millennium BCE..."

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_greece : "Ancient Greece was a civilization belonging to a period of Greek history that lasted from the Archaic period of the 8th to 6th centuries BC to the end of antiquity (ca. 600 AD)..."

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_rome : "Ancient Rome was a thriving civilization that began growing on the Italian Peninsula as early as the 8th century BC..."

So we see that Judaism predates Greek and Roman culture by about 1,100 years.

...Again, learn your history.

That.

[loco73]

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I am an atheist and I

#4: The difference between a human and and animal is the IQ and the ability to express themselves.

No. In fact apes HAVE the ability to 'express themselves' in a very similar way as humans.
They have self-recognition. They know, that the ape in a mirror is not another ape. They even have a notion of not only real things but also non-materialistic issues.

[Redeemed Papist]

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No. In fact apes HAVE the ability to 'express themselves' in a very similar way as humans.
They have self-recognition. They know, that the ape in a mirror is not another ape. They even have a notion of not only real things but also non-materialistic issues.

Why does it always come down to bestiality in the end? "The chimp slut was asking for it! She knew what she was doing..."

Well God's not fooled, friend. He knows that the thing to do if you give in to temptation is to kill you and your chimp rape victim.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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No. In fact apes HAVE the ability to 'express themselves' in a very similar way as humans.
They have self-recognition. They know, that the ape in a mirror is not another ape. They even have a notion of not only real things but also non-materialistic issues.

So you're saying that apes devolved from humans.

Interesting concept.

Yes, I can see how that would work, it all makes sense!

When Noah cursed Canaan and his descendants to be the servants of all others, they moved into Africa.

There, they split. Some became Negroes, and made up weird religious beliefs. They formed tribes, and warred among themselves, and got enslaved when they lost their wars. However, they did remain human.

Others, more degenerate in their sins, devolved and gradually transformed into the subhuman creatures we call "apes" today. But a tiny fragment of their humanity remains, which is why they can recognize themselves in mirrors.

[Mary Etheldreda]

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They have self-recognition. They know, that the ape in a mirror is not another ape.

Same with elephants. Are we related to them, too?

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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Y'know what really crushes atheists?

A trash compactor.

[loco73]

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Same with elephants. Are we related to them, too?

But they have no abstract concept of non-materialistic things, such as 'meaning' or 'translation'. But apes and humans have.....

And no, I don't think we came from apes or vice versa. Humans and apes have common ancestors. That's a difference.

[Mary Etheldreda]

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But they have no abstract concept of non-materialistic things, such as 'meaning' or 'translation'. But apes and humans have.....

And no, I don't think we came from apes or vice versa. Humans and apes have common ancestors. That's a difference.

Maybe in YOUR family, but not MINE!

[loco73]

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Maybe in YOUR family, but not MINE!

Neither your family NOR mine. Humans and apes had common ancestors.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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Neither your family NOR mine. Humans and apes had common ancestors.

Which means at one point, something not an ape got spit out, and it was the only such mutant, and unable to reproduce with its brothers and sisters . . . and died out, as mutants do.

Gee, that makes sense.

[knot2loud]

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Atheism has been proven wrong many times. Unfortunately, for them, the vast majority will continue to deny God's existence all the way to a bitter end...

Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

[Bobby-Joe]

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Atheism has been proven wrong many times. Unfortunately, for them, the vast majority will continue to deny God's existence all the way to a bitter end...

So true friend, the evidence supporting the existence of God as described by Christianity is quite overwhelming.

So what is your favorite proof of the existence of God?

[iLLogicalisAgnostic]

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The following ten points absolutely destroy Atheism.

#1 Atheists have no mercy or pity for others.
Time and time again history as shown with the Nazis, the Communists, the New Deal, the Spanish Inquisition that atheists will behave in a cruel and callous manner towards thier fellow man.

Nazism and Hitler weren't Atheist. Did you know that Hitler stated 'god' made Germans the, 'Aryan race' meaning superior to the rest? That's why they didn't want Jews tainting their blood. Stalin (Communist) killed 100,000,000 people to get his country back in shape because they were 50 years behind in technology and industry which has nothing to do with religion.

Crusades and religious people hate on other religions and kill each other for it. Think about all of the deaths from the beginning of religions and still currently now with Muslims. Christians aren't innocent in this.

#2 To an Atheist a natural disaster is just a random event
Only a Christian can understand that when a building collapses in an earthquake that is the hand of God slaying sinners. Atheists are willfully blind to the unconditional tough love of God for His creation. In short Atheists lack pity for those who are killed in these disasters.

All humans weep when people are killed in accidents i.e. 9/11 or Haiti. Do you actually believe 0 true Christians die in such disasters? Also I thought Jesus Christ said that everyone was born a sinner and he was "sacrificed" to die for our sins? Weird how the hypocrisy works here, huh?

#4To an atheists there is no difference between an animal and a human
To an Atheist A pig or a human, an ape or a human, what is the difference? For Atheists they are all products of random chance. If Atheists were true to their beliefs they would be running around naked and tossing feces at each other and eating other people. They lack the compassion for their fellow man to realize animals are just tools placed here for us to use as we see fit.

You fail to understand what Evolution means and teaches. Clearly, you have absolutely no idea what Evolution is.

#5 Only biblical faith offers objective standards of good and evil.
One just has to look at atheists societies like ancient Rome to see they had completely different morality than the Christian society of the West now. Rome lived by a philosophy of might makes right that gave Rome the moral superiority to invade their neighbors. Contrast that with America's war of liberation in Iraq and Mexico in 1848. Christians have the morality to know when their neighbors are evil and need to be destroyed.

Everyone is given morality. A book isn't needed for it. If this was true, every Atheist in the world would be committing crimes and such. It's funny, because the law is what forces Christians to behave because if it wasn't there, they'd kill people for working on Sundays, kill gays, and stone adulterers etc. Also, there were humans before Jesus Christ came along. Cavemen have been proven along with evolution. They seemed to have survived quite fine without a brainwashing book.

#6 Atheists have no reason to feel pity for anyone or anything.
Sure Atheists may feel pity in their hearts of hearts but philosophically they have no reason to. Carving another human being up to them is just like carving a pig.

Wrong. We have morality and all of that shit you claim we don't have. Atheism only means we don't accept any gods because you don't have evidence. We're not stupid. Hell, most of the smartest and most influential people are Atheist or Agnostic. You're using the internet right now which was made by Science - not religion. Science helps humanity, but sadly it helps the dumbasses too.

#7 Throughout human history there have never been any other gods but God.
God is the only God humanity ever had. Sure various confused pagans called God by different names like Thor, Zeus, Angra Mainyu and Kali but that has always been God. The past was not atheists, it Was Christian.

Ever since science came along, it has dis-proven many of religion's claims in their books. Every time someone asks a question, religion says, "God did it!" because they're too afraid to admit they don't know. Science answers questions as best it can, or admits it does not know until then. Oh, where's some evidence for your God? I don't see any.

#8 There were false gods, but they were false because they exist within the Universe, not outside it.
No atheist can show us a false god who existed outside the universe so case closed.

You do know how the, 'Burden of Proof' works, right? When one makes a claim, they must give evidence that it's true. For example, if I suddenly claim that the Spaghetti Monster exists, you won't believe it until I somehow prove to you it really does exist. Also, going by your logic, how can you dis-prove Muslim, and every other religion then?

#9 Any religion younger than Christianity is just a copy of Christianity.
Since Christianity is the Gold standard of morality all other religions just copy Christian doctrine like Islam. Atheism is younger than Christianity therefor Atheism is a mockery of Christianity.

You're probably right on this - they copy from a bullshit cult. They're all bullshit cults with 0 evidence and cause harm.

#10 Only Christianity has ever had the idea of an eternal, infinite creator God.
No one, not the Egyptians, the Meso-Americans or even the Sumerians has a infinite God. Even Atheism doesn't have an infinite creator God.

Atheism doesn't have an infinite creator god because they don't believe in any gods because there's no evidence to believe in any. Also, do you have evidence for this 'god' of yours? Didn't think so.

[ironlee]

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I really love the above post. Where is the proof of your god? Please, say the Bible. Go to a library and ask where the bible is. Non-fiction or fiction section then come back and tell me.

I fail to see how this thread "crush" atheists. It really just promotes it in my opinion because all your claims and accusations are bluntly false. Hitler was an atheist LOL I never laughed so hard in my life. If you believe that then you didn't use Google good enough. Oh, and I laugh at the fool trying to prove a point with Wikipedia. Learn to look up better sources. I can edit that page right now, which I probably will just to prove my point.

Oh, atheists use computers too, so that makes you a sinner by your philosophy.

[The Word Of Reason]

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A quick point. The bible is a book. God exists. Harry Potter is a book. Therefore Harry Potter must exist.
I believe in God, yet I see numerous holes in the logic of ANY religion.