[Coma Black]

Re: Wow guys REAL mature

Then he would have to change his name to Sarcastic Old Man.

Does that have the same flow as Cranky Old Man? I think not.

Why are you so intolerant of Cranky Old Man? Why can't you love him for who he is?

So typical of liberals, you demand that everyone tolerate you "as you are", yet all you want to do is change Cranky Old Man into Sarcastic Old Man.

First off, he has not been nice to me from the start so, I am just treating him how he treats me. I have no problem with other religions, but I do have a problem with extremists and all of you are extremist/religious fanatics. So, it is you people who are intolerant of other religions.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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First off, he has not been nice to me from the start so, I am just treating him how he treats me. I have no problem with other religions, but I do have a problem with extremists and all of you are extremist/religious fanatics. So, it is you people who are intolerant of other religions.

Did we come into YOUR forum and start insulting your Rammstein-worship?

Of course not.

YOU came HERE to attack US. Who exactly is intolerant and extremist?

[GOD=life]

Re: Wow guys REAL mature

I will try to keep my responses brief; if you feel I needed to respond to something specific, please let me know and I'll address it.

First, let's get this out in the open: if you get sent to prison, you will get sodomized by a man named Bubba. That means that by killing a homersexual, you yourself become one. That's not a good deal, now is it?

..., as you yourself have specifically pointed out that 'True Christians' - e.g. those who follow the KJV1611 Bible - and regular Christians, are not one of the same.

That is 100% correct. You do have a point bringing up Leviticus, however, because most Christians really do cherry-pick. For example, they will cite the part about homersexuality being an abomination, but skip the part about eating shrimp. Let's just say: we do not eat shrimp. Or you might meet a fluffy-bunny Christian who will claim that pretty much the entire Bible is metaphorical, except for -- you guessed it -- the parts that do fit their agenda.

Personally, I prefer having a discussion with an atheist than with a cherry-picking Christian.

In fact, if they were identical, what would be the point of highlighting the secular law, if God assumed that they would strictly follow the teachings of the Bible?

The law still needs to be enforced. Secondly, secular law at the time of the crucifixion was most definitely not in line with Biblical law.

No, the point is that secular law and Biblical law, as it stands, are mutually exclusive. They do not agree with one another. They contradict.

The mistake you're making is elevating both parts to exactly equal status and context. That way, you do indeed get a contradiction, but this contradiction is a result of your own construction. That's my point.

I myself feel no conflict whatsoever. Secular law actually has many provisions that give religion exempt status. Most courthouses feature the 10 commandments prominently and then there's the famous "in God we trust", etc. Actually, I'd say that it was pretty prudent and lenient on God's part to include this rule.

Your acceptance or refusal of a claim against your religion does not hold any sway in the grander scheme of Christianity.

Then why is it important to you? I have no problem retracting my claim about your intent and let you tell me why this argument is important to you (or rather: not unimportant). Even if you get me to concede to everything, you will still have to deal with the cherry-pickers. But perhaps you agree those are easier to disprove.

I'm sorry, but you've just outlined the exact example I am making.

Okay, but look at where your argument leads: essentially, you're saying we cannot go to Heaven unless we follow a) God's commandment to follow secular law AND b) God's commandment to kill homersexuals AND c) God's commandment to follow ALL commandments. Thus, BOTH (a) and (b) need to be satisfied.

With other words: you are, in a way, convincing us that the ONLY way to go to Heaven is to fix secular law. I know this is not your intention, but it is a logical conclusion if your frame of reference is that the Bible is true.



But, since you like contradictions so much, I'll give you another one.

It's clearly stated that incest is wrong, correct? Yet here, we have a situation right after the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah where Lot's two daughters rape him two nights in a row:

Genesis 19:31 And the firstborn said unto the younger, Our father is old, and there is not a man in the earth to come in unto us after the manner of all the earth:
19:32 Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.
19:33 And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.
19:34 And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said unto the younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.
19:35 And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.
19:36 Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father.

Then a bit further in Leviticus, this scenario is condemned. Why? Different times, different rules.

So why is it so unthinkable that in a later section of the Bible, God tells His people to err on the safe side?

Well done for portraying yourself as ignorantly stereotyping.

Sorry about that. I still have the bitter after-taste of atheists imploring us to be "tolerant" only to wish us a violent death afterwards. I will assume that you do not wish for our violent demise. Point conceded.

... I would happily accept specific proof that this aforementioned contradiction in the Bible is not in fact a contradiction.

It's irrelevant -- it is perfectly possible to construct a real story with no contradictions whatsoever. The fact that a contradiction is not present does not, by itself, say anything about the truth of the story.

I'm sorry, but not having a faith is, theoretically, as unbiased as one can possibly be. The very act of adhering to a religion means you have principles, ideas, and motives that you do not waver from. You cannot accuse me of being the 'unbiased' one in this discussion when you yourself practically define your life by a doctrine of bias.

I think you meant 'biased', not 'unbiased'. I just noticed that you appeared to feel strongly about this subject. After all, you are the one who signed up to a Christian forum. I didn't sign up to an atheist forum. While your personal motivations are irrelevant in rational discourse, it does interest me.

I did not want to leave with you thinking that I'm leaving with an "exit strategy".

All right, I'll concede that point. That seems only fair, since you replied to everything I've written in great detail. Should you leave, I will not hold it against you.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Wow guys REAL mature

I am smart

Which part of "you are an idiot" did you not get?

[Coma Black]

Re: Wow guys REAL mature

Did we come into YOUR forum and start insulting your Rammstein-worship?

Of course not.

YOU came HERE to attack US. Who exactly is intolerant and extremist?

I do not worship any band that I listen to. Also, my favorite is Marilyn Manson in case you did not notice by the picuture and avatar. No, you did not come to any of my forums, not that I know of anyway. I did not come here to attack. I came here to see if I can open your eyes and bring you all back from the stone ages. You are intolerant, because you cannot accept other religions or different cultures. Like I said I have friends of different faiths, so yeah I am tolerant. You are really extremists because you would kill people in the name of your "god".

Which part of "you are an idiot" did you not get?

I understood what you said, but you do not know me so oviously you do not know how smart I really am. No matter what you say I know that I am smart.

[Nobar King]

Re: Wow guys REAL mature

You worship MM, so there's a limit to how smart you could possibly be.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Wow guys REAL mature

No matter what you say I know that I am smart.

Being smart and being delusional are completely different things but unfortunately you are not capable of seeing the difference.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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I did not come here to attack. I came here to see if I can open your eyes and bring you all back from the stone ages. You are intolerant, because you cannot accept other religions or different cultures. Like I said I have friends of different faiths, so yeah I am tolerant. You are really extremists because you would kill people in the name of your "god".

Once again you attack and insult. "Stone age", "intolerant", "extremists".

You want us to turn our backs on God, and ignore His Word, and all of us join you in Hell, because YOU don't like what God says.

TOO BAD, PUNK. I'm not going to spend eternity in Hell to make YOU happy!

[James Dewitt]

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Coma Black;498272]

I do not worship any band that I listen to. Also, my favorite is Marilyn Manson in case you did not notice by the picuture and avatar. No, you did not come to any of my forums, not that I know of anyway. I did not come here to attack. I came here to see if I can open your eyes and bring you all back from the stone ages. You are intolerant, because you cannot accept other religions or different cultures. Like I said I have friends of different faiths, so yeah I am tolerant. You are really extremists because you would kill people in the name of your "god".

Look its simple we are not extremists, we are True Christians. We follow the Word of God. To the best of my knowledge not one of my Brothers or Sisters has EVER killed anyone. We are commanded to follow secular law.
Now when Sister Palin and Brother Huckabee are elected to office, and we dump the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and replace them with the Holy KJV1611 Bible we can then do as our Lord commands .
If you have a problem with the Bible, and you clearly do, I suggest you take it up with God.

I understood what you said, but you do not know me so oviously you do not know how smart I really am. No matter what you say I know that I am smart.

If you ask a retard if they are normal each and every one will say YES.

[Coma Black]

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You worship MM, so there's a limit to how smart you could possibly be.

No, I am a fan of him and his music. That is not worship. Actually if you heard him in an interview he is a very intelligant man and is very well spoken. You would not know that because you do not take the time to research anything other than your "bible". Which is why your knowledge is more limited than a lot of people. So, once again you do not know my intelligence.

Being smart and being delusional are completely different things but unfortunately you are not capable of seeing the difference.

Like I said I know more about myself than you people will ever know. You are not capable of seeing logic.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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No, I am a fan of him and his music. That is not worship. Actually if you heard him in an interview he is a very intelligant man and is very well spoken. You would not know that because you do not take the time to research anything other than your "bible". Which is why your knowledge is more limited than a lot of people. So, once again you do not know my intelligence.[...]

We get an indication from your spelling.

[Coma Black]

Re: Wow guys REAL mature

We get an indication from your spelling.

I do make mistakes and I can't edit my posts on here to correct them. So, just because I do make mistakes then that must mean that I am not smart? Well if that was the case then everyone in the world would be stupid because everyone makes mistakes. So, no matter what you say I know how smart I am because I know myself better than anyone else would.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Wow guys REAL mature

So, no matter what you say I know how smart I am because I know myself better than anyone else would.

You don't become smart by just ignoring all the people who tell you that you are an idiot.

[James Dewitt]

Re: Wow guys REAL mature

I do make mistakes and I can't edit my posts on here to correct them. So, just because I do make mistakes then that must mean that I am not smart? Well if that was the case then everyone in the world would be stupid because everyone makes mistakes. So, no matter what you say I know how smart I am because I know myself better than anyone else would.

Do you have spell check? Its very easy to use, well as long as you are not a retard.

[Coma Black]

Re: Wow guys REAL mature

You don't become smart by just ignoring all the people who tell you that you are an idiot.

I am already smart. Like I said you do not know me so you cannot tell me that I am stupid. I know that I am smart, my friends know that I am, and so does everyone else I know in my life.

Do you have spell check? Its very easy to use, well as long as you are not a retard.

Yes I have spell check. I know it is easy to use. No, I am not a retard.