[YouAllAreHeretics]

Re: Top 10 reasons why God hates rock music.

Troll? No, I'm not. God calls for us to be ACCOUNTABLE for others. Not judge them. You CONDEMNING someone else is judgment. Does that mean you are God, or does it make me a "Feminazi Bitch" according to your Admin?


<--- that should be you.

[Didymus Much]

Re: Top 10 reasons why God hates rock music.

...Shut your arrogant mouth. You are the one who God will throw in Hell. Ignorant, belligerent, venom-spitter.

QFI (quoted for irony).

[YouAllAreHeretics]

Re: Top 10 reasons why God hates rock music.

QFI (quoted for irony).

You associate yourself with a website with the title of "unsaved trash."

Doesn't that piss you off?

[Didymus Much]

Re: Top 10 reasons why God hates rock music.

You associate yourself with a website with the title of "unsaved trash."

Doesn't that piss you off?

Not in the least.

[LightSoWhite]

Re: Top 10 reasons why God hates rock music.

[citation needed]

Take a minute to google it(Or use whatever christian search engine you may have. i'm curious to see what you'll find with that). Every article you'll find has a statistic generally between 40-60% of scientists are atheist, agnostic, or non-religious.

Then I guess that's not very impossible, is it?

So, then, i've fulfilled your request of proof.

You're a "faitheist", aren't you?

I officially title myself as agnostic.

The real atheists, like Didymus Much, don't share your view that it's possible for science (which declares the world to have "evolved" from nothing over billions of years) to be in agreement with Christianity (which states that God created the universe about 6,000 years ago).

This is, perhaps, because you're quick to assume i'm atheist. Another +1 to the friendliness of the forum.

Victor Stenger would disagree with you, too. He's one of your leading atheist scienticians, right?

I'm not atheist, so it doesn't concern me. As with many historical events, you'll find people who will neglect their occurrence(whether they happened in reality or not). My point is that the reality of the world you perceive is true to only yourself and your beliefs. The middle ground lies in the beliefs of the person, not the Bible. For what the Bible doesn't actually seek to explain, science is there to fill in the gaps for some people. While, for others, where science doesn't explain it, religion is there to fill in the gaps.
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Wait, I thought you said most scientists were religious. Odd. Still waiting on your citation for that information.

Odd. Seems like you waited long to get a citation.. Since, you know, you only asked for it in that same post.

But I guess you know better than your atheist heroes, right?

Of course, we know that "scientitious" thinking warps all areas of life, as well. It invades morality, and leads people to question God's Law ("But why is it a sin to rape my neighbor's chicken? It's not hurting anyone.") and even His existence!

If you must ask this question, you're going into social sciences. That would fall within the constraints of psychology and sociology. However, the basis wouldn't be on sin, it'd be why do we find that it's wrong(where the answer will likely lay in religious roots of some sort, and their ethical guidelines that are passed through generations). Science is what it is. Facts. Observations. Sitting and arguing with what is known to be true will leave you right where you started. What ISN'T KNOWN to be true, however, is what you all delightfully pick at(I feel like I've made this point a few times over now, can you people start reading everything before making your idiotic judgements and hasty assumptions?).

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Top 10 reasons why God hates rock music.

Troll? No, I'm not. God calls for us to be ACCOUNTABLE for others. Not judge them. You CONDEMNING someone else is judgment. Does that mean you are God, or does it make me a "Feminazi Bitch" according to your Admin?


<--- that should be you.

Yet here you are judging us. Interesting. Hypocrite.

Tell me, how can you know what God wants or who He is, when you have never read the Bible? It's the only objective way to know Him and His Will.

Your "feelings" are just that. They aren't objective, they're subjective.

[YouAllAreHeretics]

Re: Top 10 reasons why God hates rock music.

Yet here you are judging us. Interesting. Hypocrite.

Tell me, how can you know what God wants or who He is, when you have never read the Bible? It's the only objective way to know Him and His Will.

Your "feelings" are just that. They aren't objective, they're subjective.

I attend a Christian University.

I wasn't taught to "execute" homosexuals. That's called murder in America.

I forgot you are a communist, "feminazi bitch" as your admin calls others.

VERY CHRISTIAN LIKE! WAY TO GO!

By the way, I speak have the spiritual gift of discernment. Does that offend you? I've also spoken in tongues. Do you think I am a blasphemer now? I forgot you knew all about me since you KNOW I have never read the Bible.

OK LOLs.

[John Creeser]

Re: Top 10 reasons why God hates rock music.

Troll? No, I'm not. God calls for us to be ACCOUNTABLE for others. Not judge them. You CONDEMNING someone else is judgment. Does that mean you are God, or does it make me a "Feminazi Bitch" according to your Admin?

Oh boy another false Christian who has read the children's fisher price version of the Bible and think they know it all. Tell me friend, did you at least enjoy the pictures?

So we shouldn't judge huh? Hmmm I seem to remember a few versus that counter your claim. These are the words of GOD;

Leviticus 19:15 Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honor the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.

(if my neighbor is a damned queer, you bet I judge him as a sinner who is spitting in the face of baby Jesus)

Psalm 37:30 The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment.

(this is where I politely point out to my neighbor he's going to hell and will burn forever in the lake of fire unless he changes his deathstyle).

Wake up

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Top 10 reasons why God hates rock music.

Lots of made up stuff that's not in the Bible.

I am a real Christian, and the last thing I'll say is:

You deserve to burn in Hell for manipulating the minds of people and MISGUIDING THEM FROM THE ONE TRUE GOD WHOM YOU SAY YOU KNOW.

How is quoting the Bible and what it actually says perverting the word of God?

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Top 10 reasons why God hates rock music.

By the way, I speak have the spiritual gift of discernment.

If your "discernment" doesn't line up with the actual Word of God, you have the "spiritual gift of imagination." You simply assume your thoughts are correlated with God's Will. Let me remind you, friend, personal experiences are not evidence.

[John Creeser]

Re: Top 10 reasons why God hates rock music.

How is quoting the Bible and what it actually says perverting the word of God?

I would love an answer to this too. These damned hippy Christians are always whining "yeah, but you are out of context". Here I'll flip through my KJV and post a random quote.

Colossians 3:18 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord

OK, so lets see what it really says "in context";

Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord

Ta da!!

[ExGay Alex]

Re: Top 10 reasons why God hates rock music.

Whoever said I needed the Bible to tell when someone is perverting MY KING's gospel? I've read it. You all are misconstruing it.

How is that again? You don't need to refer to the Bible to demonstrate that someone is misunderstanding it? Where, one time, did any True Christian here misconstrue the Bible?

[Levi Jones]

Re: Top 10 reasons why God hates rock music.

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2. Drums are the instruments of satanists? I can think of a certain little drummer boy who's going to be crushed to find that out. Not to mention anyone who read Psalms 150 verses 4-5: "Praise him with the drums and dancing. Praise him with stringed instruments and horns. 5 Praise him with the cymbals, yes, loud clanging cymbals.”

You have to take a twisted translation of the Bible to come up with drums in that scripture.

The Hebrew there translates to the timbrel or the tambourine.
Even the perverted New International Version gets this right.

Psalm 150:4 praise him with tambourine and dancing, praise him with the strings and flute,

It says zilch about drums in the Masoretic text.

If God truly exists, I promise you He's thoroughly saddened and disappointed by you nutjobs.

Thanks again for telling us what God thinks without using the Bible.

[Levi Jones]

Re: Top 10 reasons why God hates rock music.

You asked someone to prove evolution without information from a textbook.

Indeed I did.

I began to comment that most scientists have faith, and therefor debunked your probable hypothesis that all scientists are atheists and fill all science text with atheist garbage.

I said they are not Christians that I would recognize as being such. Just because they claim to be doesn't make it so.

This is by far an ignorant and outlandish statement to make, so I figured I'd save you the trouble of implying it further. Also, to ask for proof outside of those texts is ridiculous, as any physical proof would exist within them. That's literally like me saying "Prove jesus, god, or that the word of god is even contained within the bible.... without the bible."

That's exactly what someone else I was responding to asked me to do.

You're responding to my rebuttal to someone else!

Originally Posted by CthuluIsMySavior
Now I believe the questions most of my fellow heathens were trying to ask was to prove God's existence outside of the bible. Prove that science is not fact and that, more importantly, evolution is not fact.

You then gave me examples of the type of impossible "proof" that you would require

You asked what would satisfy my burden of proof. Now you scoff and call it impossible.

I also gave you examples of evolution, the initial topic - not cross-breeding.

And I reiterated that you were using knowledge that came from science books, since we are asking for proof that doesn't come from books. I also further qualified it by saying that most YEC's believe in micro-evolution.

I also stated here that science and religion can coexist.

And I showed you how they couldn't using the Bible.

That statement comprised less than a quarter of the entire post; how you felt as though it was the main topic, I haven't a clue.

Because it's an important point so much so that your compatriot felt the need to chime in and say how grateful he was that you shared that sentiment with him. I thought it necessary to debunk your error.

WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT COEXISTENCE OF SCIENCE AND RELIGION

There are, however, tons of "theories," all of which are the arguments theists use in attempt to debunk science. Science is a collection of educated guesses based off of observed evidence. "Theories" are not concrete, and the word is used to imply an incomplete observation.

Perhaps you should put your perceived greater intelligence to mine to use for you and read up on what a scientific theory is and what it means.

"Evolution is just a theory." Not according to scientists.

The formal scientific definition of theory is quite different from the everyday meaning of the word. It refers to a comprehensive explanation of some aspect of nature that is supported by a vast body of evidence. Many scientific theories are so well established that no new evidence is likely to alter them substantially. For example, no new evidence will demonstrate that the Earth does not orbit around the sun (heliocentric theory), or that living things are not made of cells (cell theory), that matter is not composed of atoms, or that the surface of the Earth is not divided into solid plates that have moved over geological timescales (the theory of plate tectonics). One of the most useful properties of scientific theories is that they can be used to make predictions about natural events or phenomena that have not yet been observed.

For instance, there are Newton's LAWS, which are proven to be true in every instance. If they weren't, or had some sort of missing bit of information required to make it entirely true, then it's a theory. Thusly named. Theories are also occasionally "updated" to make a new, improved, and better-fitting theory when new information is found or observed.

Newtonian physics are supposedly being proven wrong all the time outside of the small area where he tested them using Einsteinian and quantum physics.

[Levi Jones]

Re: Top 10 reasons why God hates rock music.

I'm pretty sure most of the members are hate-mongering narcissists who have never even felt the presence of their God.

Post the scripture or get thine foulness out.

You know what's funny, the guy quoting the Greek, based on my first hand knowledge of the Southern Baptist theological Seminary, I can say with a degree of certainty that these idiots wouldn't know Greek from Sumerian.

Oh goody! Now one of you is claiming to know Greek better than Strong's and Horst and Westcott. That's hilarious.

Considering sin means to "miss the mark",

There are multiple words for sin in Greek.

Kakos, bad (Romans 13:3); poneros, evil (Matthew 5:45); asebes, godless (Romans 1:18); enochos, guilt (Matthew 5:21); hamartia, sin (I Corinthians 6:18); adikia, unrighteousness (1 Corinthians 6:9); anomos, lawlessness (1 Timothy 2:9); parabates, transgression (Romans 5:14); agnoein, to be ignorant (Romans 1:13); planan, to go astray (I Corinthians 6:9); paraptomai, to fall away (Galatians 6:1); and hupocrites, hypocrite (1 Timothy 4:2).

there is no way to be perfect,

From my sermon on the very subject.

Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

In the Book of Luke, Jesus tells us that in becoming perfect, we are like God.

Luke 6:40 The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.

In many of the Epistles, the authors tell us that we are perfect and can be "unblameable in holiness," like our Master Who is in Heaven.

1 Thessalonians 3:13 To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.

Colossians 1:22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

Colossians 1:28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:

1 Peter 5:10 But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.

Philippians 3:15Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.

And most importantly,

1 John 3:5-9 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

I wanted to add a list of a few perfect people in the Bible besides Jesus for those you who don't believe there was anyone else who was ever perfect.

Luke 1:5-6 THERE was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.
And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

Genesis 17:1 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.

God speaking to Ezekiel.

Ezekiel 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

David speaking to God.

Psalm 101:2 I will behave myself wisely in a perfect way. O when wilt thou come unto me? I will walk within my house with a perfect heart.

And

2 Samuel 22:22-24 For I have kept the ways of the LORD, and have not wickedly departed from my God.
For all his judgments were before me: and as for his statutes, I did not depart from them.
I was also upright before him, and have kept myself from mine iniquity.

and all of this ranting and raving they do is because they can't handle having all these things that tempt them (from doing, only God knows what) around. If we got rid of all the temptation in the world we wouldn't need Christ.
Calling Petra communists was funny, considering what Christ taught and the early church practiced can be considered socialism. I think it's funny how these mormons seem to think God has a political affiliation.

Yet I can use the Bible to prove what Jesus thought. Can you use it to prove some sort of socialism?

Oh, and please stop quoting the old testament, if you do that you aren't a Christian, you're Jewish. We don't have to follow the Jewish law anymore, that's why Christ died for our sins. Don't cheapen that.

So we should just throw 3/4ths of the Bible in the trash despite the following.

James 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

Matthew 5:17-19 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

John 5:46-47 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

John 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;


Mark 12:28-31 And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all? And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: (direct quotation of Deuteronomy 6:4)
And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. (direct quotation of Deuteronomy 6:5)
And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. (direct quotation of Leviticus 19:18)

Matthew 4:4 Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. (Jesus is quoting Deuteronomy 8:3)

Please get an education in Bible before you burn in hell for eternity!