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Re: I'm having a crisis of faith! Is Jesus really God???
"Blah Blah Blah"? And the others? And so you avoid the question of how Jesus did not lie when he said He would raise Himself? And Don't comment on Jesus combat with death, the question of How can never die...
How did I twist the OT quotes?
The Colossians quote does not say we have the same fullness, it says we are complete. Otherwise we also have qualities Jesus has as mentioned in those verses.
Jesus was thye fullness of the Godhead before He was born, and according to Philippians 2, was emptied, and found Himself in the form of a servant and was obedient. He made gains by doing all this and rising from the dead. For such obedience!
You avoid things mentioned before about not worshiping angels in Colossians... dodgings... many things. Also that the world came into being through Jesus, and that the three do things together, and in that that Jesus raised Himself.
You avoid Jesus' work from the cross to the empty tomb, things not even Michael the archangel could do!
2Pe 1:4 through which He has given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, so that by these you might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. MKJV
Jesus never lusted and the passage above goes onto mention development in true Christians. Again, you have misinterpreted the verses and are in error. Keep it in context. Jesus never had a sinful nature, Jesus grew in favour. Jesus' nature was love and hunger and tiredness...
We receive Christ and are complete, potentially, but will never be the fullness of the Godhead bodily.
2Co 5:21 For He has made Him who knew no sin, to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
Instead of explaining scriptures with scriptures you take them apart with root word allusions, and notions that can't be sustained and dodge questions.
We can come to have a nature like God. We can't have the fullness of the Godhead in us. Remember the idea of incarnation and John ch 1?
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God;
Joh 1:2 this one was in the beginning with God;
Joh 1:3 all things through him did happen, and without him happened not even one thing that hath happened. YLT
Even wisdom came by Him and no other thing before Him at all.
Joh 1:4 In him was life, and the life was the light of men,
Joh 1:5 and the light in the darkness did shine, and the darkness did not perceive it.
Joh 1:6 There came a man--having been sent from God--whose name is John,
Joh 1:7 this one came for testimony, that he might testify about the Light, that all might believe through him;
Joh 1:8 that one was not the Light, but--that he might testify about the Light.
Joh 1:9 He was the true Light, which doth enlighten every man, coming to the world;
Joh 1:10 in the world he was, and the world through him was made, and the world did not know him: YLT
The world came through Him, Creator God, and He was before John the Baptist and Abraham...
Joh 1:11 to his own things he came, and his own people did not receive him;
Joh 1:12 but as many as did receive him to them he gave authority to become sons of God--to those believing in his name,
Joh 1:13 who--not of blood nor of a will of flesh, nor of a will of man but--of God were begotten.
Joh 1:14 And the Word became flesh, and did tabernacle among us, and we beheld his glory, glory as of an only begotten of a father, full of grace and truth. Young's Literal Translation
We can only become sons by the Son's work. Partakers of divine nature but not vastness... He is the Word, that is why He is the fullness of the Godhead.
The church didn't really have the Bible in the third century. In a sense that had more, and had to check everything with the OT.
They had healing rallies and the true Spirit in the successors of the apostles. And many oral traditions of weight.
Jesus learned obedience in His humanity, He had a human like nature and had to learn to walk and eat and do normal things, then the great things. A lot has to be said for Mary His mother. Excellent Jewish family.
Jesus human spirit was tempted to worship Satan, His soul to test God, His body to satisfy natural hunger. Remember the quotes I gave you about why Satan wanted to kill Jesus? And about the angels not being able to accomplish what Jesus did?
"Blah Blah Blah"? And the others? And so you avoid the question of how Jesus did not lie when he said He would raise Himself? And Don't comment on Jesus combat with death, the question of How can never die...
How did I twist the OT quotes?
The Colossians quote does not say we have the same fullness, it says we are complete. Otherwise we also have qualities Jesus has as mentioned in those verses.
Jesus was thye fullness of the Godhead before He was born, and according to Philippians 2, was emptied, and found Himself in the form of a servant and was obedient. He made gains by doing all this and rising from the dead. For such obedience!
You avoid things mentioned before about not worshiping angels in Colossians... dodgings... many things. Also that the world came into being through Jesus, and that the three do things together, and in that that Jesus raised Himself.
You avoid Jesus' work from the cross to the empty tomb, things not even Michael the archangel could do!
2Pe 1:4 through which He has given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, so that by these you might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. MKJV
Jesus never lusted and the passage above goes onto mention development in true Christians. Again, you have misinterpreted the verses and are in error. Keep it in context. Jesus never had a sinful nature, Jesus grew in favour. Jesus' nature was love and hunger and tiredness...
We receive Christ and are complete, potentially, but will never be the fullness of the Godhead bodily.
2Co 5:21 For He has made Him who knew no sin, to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
Instead of explaining scriptures with scriptures you take them apart with root word allusions, and notions that can't be sustained and dodge questions.
We can come to have a nature like God. We can't have the fullness of the Godhead in us. Remember the idea of incarnation and John ch 1?
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God;
Joh 1:2 this one was in the beginning with God;
Joh 1:3 all things through him did happen, and without him happened not even one thing that hath happened. YLT
Even wisdom came by Him and no other thing before Him at all.
Joh 1:4 In him was life, and the life was the light of men,
Joh 1:5 and the light in the darkness did shine, and the darkness did not perceive it.
Joh 1:6 There came a man--having been sent from God--whose name is John,
Joh 1:7 this one came for testimony, that he might testify about the Light, that all might believe through him;
Joh 1:8 that one was not the Light, but--that he might testify about the Light.
Joh 1:9 He was the true Light, which doth enlighten every man, coming to the world;
Joh 1:10 in the world he was, and the world through him was made, and the world did not know him: YLT
The world came through Him, Creator God, and He was before John the Baptist and Abraham...
Joh 1:11 to his own things he came, and his own people did not receive him;
Joh 1:12 but as many as did receive him to them he gave authority to become sons of God--to those believing in his name,
Joh 1:13 who--not of blood nor of a will of flesh, nor of a will of man but--of God were begotten.
Joh 1:14 And the Word became flesh, and did tabernacle among us, and we beheld his glory, glory as of an only begotten of a father, full of grace and truth. Young's Literal Translation
We can only become sons by the Son's work. Partakers of divine nature but not vastness... He is the Word, that is why He is the fullness of the Godhead.
The church didn't really have the Bible in the third century. In a sense that had more, and had to check everything with the OT.
They had healing rallies and the true Spirit in the successors of the apostles. And many oral traditions of weight.
Jesus learned obedience in His humanity, He had a human like nature and had to learn to walk and eat and do normal things, then the great things. A lot has to be said for Mary His mother. Excellent Jewish family.
Jesus human spirit was tempted to worship Satan, His soul to test God, His body to satisfy natural hunger. Remember the quotes I gave you about why Satan wanted to kill Jesus? And about the angels not being able to accomplish what Jesus did?
You're obviously nothing but a Catholic.
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