[Samuel Coleridge]

Re: I'm having a crisis of faith! Is Jesus really God???

I might not be a christian, but, Heathen Basher, I recommend you to return to your christian friends instead of wasting your time with Jehova witnesses. My best friend back in time- her parents were jehova witnesses and she suffered horribly under them. So bad, that she eventually killed herself. I only hear bad things about them and they are not people you want to mess with. Get yourself together and don't get yourself confused by such idiots. I might not agree with some points of this Christians, but at least they are no lying, fanatic and insane people. Trust me, I met more than enough of them.

So, do not listen to their kind, but fake words and GET AWAY FROM THEM! A kindly meant advice. They are evil.

Indeed, it is a cold day when the Landovers seem reasonable and less fanatical than another group that calls itself Christian. Has hell frozen?

[Meek and Humble]

Re: I'm having a crisis of faith! Is Jesus really God???

Well you see, Mr. Columbia, the thing is that we are mandated by our Lord Jesus Christ to teach His word and to baptize all nations in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost (Matthew 28:19).

Three names have merely been listed, and no instance of the word trinity in any bible. Obviously it came from a man made philosophy.

Jesus said himself, "The father is greater than I"

I don't think he said equal to, did he not?

Jesus also said, "I and the Father are one" some Trinitarians also seem to cling to this as well.

Did he literally mean one? No, 'cause he would be contradicting himself from my quote above. They are one in purpose and in union with each other. He did the will of his Father Jehovah. He never did anything of his own initiative, he glorified his Father not himself.

If you want to baptize in all the nations ( Matthew 28:19 )

You need to be preaching the good news of the kingdom in all the inhabited earth as well ( Matthew 24:14 )

You can't have one without the other.

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

The best and earliest manuscripts say Christ "who was made manifest in the flesh," not "God was made manifest in the flesh."

[Pim Pendergast]

Re: I'm having a crisis of faith! Is Jesus really God???

Three names have merely been listed.

No. One name is listed. Read the passage again.

Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name [singular] of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

These three Persons have one name.

Did he literally mean one? No, 'cause he would be contradicting himself from my quote above. They are one in purpose and in union with each other. He did the will of his Father Jehovah. He never did anything of his own initiative, he glorified his Father not himself.

Now you're interpreting Scripture instead of just reading it, accepting it and believing it. You're filtering it through whatever the Watchtower tells you.

If you want to baptize in all the nations ( Matthew 28:19 )

You need to be preaching the good news of the kingdom in all the inhabited earth as well ( Matthew 24:14 )

You can't have one without the other.

JW's are apparently slack about the formula used for baptism. Sometimes they baptize in the name of the Father and of the Son and of holy spirit [sic], and sometimes they use no formula at all. But two questions are always asked before baptism.

The first question is:
On the basis of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, have you repented of your sins and dedicated yourself to Jehovah to do his will?

The second is:
Do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah's Witnesses in association with God's spirit-directed organization? Having answered yes to these questions, candidates are in a right heart condition to undergo Christian baptism." Watchtower 1985 Jun 1 p.30

JW's are effectively baptized in the name of Jesus, Jehovah and the Watchtower organization. What makes you think this form of baptism has any value or validity? Will you be looking to be baptized as a JW? Do you now regard your baptism into the true body of Christ as null and void?

The best and earliest manuscripts say Christ "who was made manifest in the flesh," not "God was made manifest in the flesh."

Now you're getting into arguments over the text of the New Testament and translations of the Bible, a subject covered by numerous threads on this site, which you as a former junior pastor would no doubt know. What has caused you to reject the Textus Receptus and the KJV? Because it doesn't fit in with your doctrine? Because the Watchtower magazine told you it was unreliable?

[Meek and Humble]

Re: I'm having a crisis of faith! Is Jesus really God???

Now you're getting into arguments over the text of the New Testament and translations of the Bible, a subject covered by numerous threads on this site, which you as a former junior pastor would no doubt know. What has caused you to reject the Textus Receptus and the KJV? Because it doesn't fit in with your doctrine? Because the Watchtower magazine told you it was unreliable?

The KJV translators used the Greek New Testament known as the Textus Receptus (the Received Text) which was produced originally by Erasmus in 1516. Unfortunately, because he was under pressure from his publisher John Froben to produce a Greek New Testament, Erasmus used only 6 Byzantine-type Greek manuscripts to develop his New Testament. None of these manuscripts had the last 6 verses of Revelation, so Erasmus had to back-translate these verses from the Latin Vulgate, resulting in the fact that discrepancies that had crept into the Vulgate were now included in the Textus Receptus. Most notably, the Vulgate used the phrase "the book of life" when the majority of Greek manuscripts have "the tree of life" in Revelation 22:19. Erasmus also added the Comma Johanneum (1 John 5:7b-8a) to a later edition of his Greek New Testament from the Vulgate, even though none of the 6 Greek manuscripts that he used included this later Latin addition. It is also very interesting to note that the Textus Receptus (and hence the KJV) differs with the Majority Text in 1,838 places. The Majority Text is the Greek New Testament derived from agreement amongst the majority of Greek manuscripts, which means that the KJV differs with most of the Greek manuscripts of the NT at all of these places in the text. This is because the KJV is based on a Greek New Testament that was derived from only a small number (6) of late Greek manuscripts which Erasmus had available when he was compiling his Greek New Testament.

[Maike Lorenzen, nazi witch]

Re: I'm having a crisis of faith! Is Jesus really God???

Heathen Basher, I can only warn you once more. Jehova Witnesses are master in flattering and confusing people with words. When I read the KJV Bible, I saw it like this: The Trinity is made of Jesus Christ, the Father and the holy spirit, patris et filii et spiritus sancti. And this three together are GOD.


Look, you have friends among True Christians, they welcome you and you know them all your life, I assume.
Do you really think life will get better if you join the witnesses? Maybe they told you about their religion, love, peace, and so on. Did they also tell you, that they will hate you, when you don't believe the same as them? Did they tell you, that they believe that everything except themselves came from the devil? Or that Jesus' words were ONLY made for the leaders of the witnesses? That all other believers are only slaves and people who must listen to them? I bet they didn't.

Here is a list of things about Jehovas Witnesses that might interest you, things the founder of the Jehova Witnesses did:

-Using the symbol of the sun god Ra on the cover of his books.
-Using the Masonic Knights Templar logo of the Cross and Crown on his issues of Zion’s Watch Tower.
-Teaching that he was the “Faithful and Wise Servant” of Matt. 24:45-51, which resulted in many of his followers actually worshipping him.
-Teaching that “the forming of a visible organization...would be out of harmony with the spirit of the divine plan.” “Beware of ‘organization.’ It is wholly unnecessary.”
-Teaching that Christians “are divine beings -- hence all such are Gods, thus we have a family of God....in the resurrection we will rise in our true character as Gods.”
-Teaching that “the whole body of Christ the ‘Mighty God’...shall share in the work of restoring the life lost in Adam, and therefore be members of that company which as a whole will be the Everlasting Father to the restored race.”
-Teaching that the Lord Jesus should be worshipped and that he is not Michael the archangel.
-Celebrating birthdays and holidays such as Christmas.
-Teaching that one can join the military as long as he did “not shoot anybody.”
-Teaching that white skin is better than black skin and that “the white race exhibits some qualities of superiority over any other.”
-Teaching that the shape of one’s brain determines his responsiveness to God.
-Teaching that Jehovah “governs his universe” from the star “Alcyone” in the Pleiades constellation.
-Teaching that the “Great Pyramid of Gizeh” was “God’s stone witness” which proved Russell’s claims that “the time of the end” embraced a period from 1799-1914, with Jesus’ invisible presence beginning in 1874, and the destruction of present government in 1914.


So, what do we have here? narcism, racism, they believe God is sitting on another PLANET. Using celtic and old symbols of the witches and templars, and wanting to be as God himself. Does that sound alright to you? You must open your eyes and try to see behind the flattering smile of that horrible masquerade they are celebrating to lure people into their net. Wake up, please. This religion isn't any good. My last warning.

[Meek and Humble]

Re: I'm having a crisis of faith! Is Jesus really God???

Heathen Basher, I can only warn you once more. Jehova Witnesses are master in flattering and confusing people with words. When I read the KJV Bible, I saw it like this: The Trinity is made of Jesus Christ, the Father and the holy spirit, patris et filii et spiritus sancti. And this three together are GOD.

You poor, deluded, brainwashed child.

Did they also tell you, that they will hate you, when you don't believe the same as them? Did they tell you, that they believe that everything except themselves came from the devil? Or that Jesus' words were ONLY made for the leaders of the witnesses? That all other believers are only slaves and people who must listen to them?

Actually, that describes my experience HERE, at Landover Baptist, perfectly!

Here is a list of things about Jehovas Witnesses that might interest you, things the founder of the Jehova Witnesses did: .

So what? We don't see Charles Taze Russell as some sort of infallible Pope. The Watchtower has actually evolved and changed in a number of ways during the years, moving into closer agreement with the Scriptures, rather than slavishly obeying only what Russell taught.

[Dr. Isaiah Jones]

Re: I'm having a crisis of faith! Is Jesus really God???

Heathen Basher, I can only warn you once more. Jehova Witnesses are master in flattering and confusing people with words. When I read the KJV Bible, I saw it like this: The Trinity is made of Jesus Christ, the Father and the holy spirit, patris et filii et spiritus sancti. And this three together are GOD.


Look, you have friends among True Christians, they welcome you and you know them all your life, I assume.
Do you really think life will get better if you join the witnesses? Maybe they told you about their religion, love, peace, and so on. Did they also tell you, that they will hate you, when you don't believe the same as them? Did they tell you, that they believe that everything except themselves came from the devil? Or that Jesus' words were ONLY made for the leaders of the witnesses? That all other believers are only slaves and people who must listen to them? I bet they didn't.

Here is a list of things about Jehovas Witnesses that might interest you, things the founder of the Jehova Witnesses did:

-Using the symbol of the sun god Ra on the cover of his books.
-Using the Masonic Knights Templar logo of the Cross and Crown on his issues of Zion’s Watch Tower.
-Teaching that he was the “Faithful and Wise Servant” of Matt. 24:45-51, which resulted in many of his followers actually worshipping him.
-Teaching that “the forming of a visible organization...would be out of harmony with the spirit of the divine plan.” “Beware of ‘organization.’ It is wholly unnecessary.”
-Teaching that Christians “are divine beings -- hence all such are Gods, thus we have a family of God....in the resurrection we will rise in our true character as Gods.”
-Teaching that “the whole body of Christ the ‘Mighty God’...shall share in the work of restoring the life lost in Adam, and therefore be members of that company which as a whole will be the Everlasting Father to the restored race.”
-Teaching that the Lord Jesus should be worshipped and that he is not Michael the archangel.
-Celebrating birthdays and holidays such as Christmas.
-Teaching that one can join the military as long as he did “not shoot anybody.”
-Teaching that white skin is better than black skin and that “the white race exhibits some qualities of superiority over any other.”
-Teaching that the shape of one’s brain determines his responsiveness to God.
-Teaching that Jehovah “governs his universe” from the star “Alcyone” in the Pleiades constellation.
-Teaching that the “Great Pyramid of Gizeh” was “God’s stone witness” which proved Russell’s claims that “the time of the end” embraced a period from 1799-1914, with Jesus’ invisible presence beginning in 1874, and the destruction of present government in 1914.


So, what do we have here? narcism, racism, they believe God is sitting on another PLANET. Using celtic and old symbols of the witches and templars, and wanting to be as God himself. Does that sound alright to you? You must open your eyes and try to see behind the flattering smile of that horrible masquerade they are celebrating to lure people into their net. Wake up, please. This religion isn't any good. My last warning.

This woman may be a hellbound heathen but she sure has done her homework.

Brother Heathen Basher, if you don't come to your senses and stop this whole nonsense you will end up in hell just like her. I'll be praying for both of you that Jesus may show you the light.

[Meek and Humble]

Re: I'm having a crisis of faith! Is Jesus really God???

This woman may be a hellbound heathen but she sure has done her homework.

Brother Heathen Basher, if you don't come to your senses and stop this whole nonsense you will end up in hell just like her. I'll be praying for both of you that Jesus may show you the light.

Well, hell is just the grave anyway, but I find it interesting how quick you are to agree with a "hellbound heathen"

[Pim Pendergast]

Re: I'm having a crisis of faith! Is Jesus really God???

Well, hell is just the grave anyway, but I find it interesting how quick you are to agree with a "hellbound heathen"

Hell is a place of eternal torment. Death is no escape from the unquenchable fire of God's wrath. Their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.

Mk 9:43-48
43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:
48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

[Meek and Humble]

Re: I'm having a crisis of faith! Is Jesus really God???

"Through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men because they had all sinned." (Romans 5:12)

[Seth Campbell]

Re: I'm having a crisis of faith! Is Jesus really God???

"Through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men because they had all sinned." (Romans 5:12)

Well at least he remembers that much.

Now what does that have to do with whether or not hell exists?


I thought you knew your Bible better than this, what happened to you, are you possessed by demons? Just turn yourself over to the Pastors before anyone gets hurt.

[Pim Pendergast]

Re: I'm having a crisis of faith! Is Jesus really God???

"Through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men because they had all sinned." (Romans 5:12)

What makes you so sure you're saved now? Weren't you certain you were saved before you became a JW?

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: I'm having a crisis of faith! Is Jesus really God???

What makes you so sure you're saved now? Weren't you certain you were saved before you became a JW?

Brother Pedergast, this frightens me!

What if Heathen Basher only thought he was Saved© but never was? What if his baptism never took?!? What if his Born Again experience was only wishful thinking and a surge of adrenaline and endorphins that accompanied the excitement of such an event???

Oh dear!

What if I am not Saved© either!

What if the LORD does not hear my prayers because I only think I'm Saved©, but in reality I'm just another sinner?

What if all this time I thought I was Saved©, the LORD was watching my soul get blacker and blacker with PRIDE, because I only imagined I was Saved©!!!

Oh Dear! Oh my word! Oh my Heavens!

O Come LORD Jesus!

NO! DON'T Come just yet! I have to KNOW if I'm SAVED© or not!



What do I do?

[Levi Jones]

Re: I'm having a crisis of faith! Is Jesus really God???

The Jews believed Jesus said He was one with the Father.

John 10:31-36
31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

[Levi Jones]

Re: I'm having a crisis of faith! Is Jesus really God???

And again, Jehovah is not the sacred Name. It is a pronunciation of an abbreviation.



It is like saying "ching chong wing wong ding dong" and claiming you are speaking Chinese.