[Seventy]

Re: QUIZ: "Am I going to HEAVEN or HELL?" Most accurate test ever!

Where's your proof they weren't magic bears?

Where's yours that they were?

You should know better than to embrace this notion.

Agnosticism is just the politically correct face of atheism. You don't rock the boat too much and your post count is evidence of this. The agnostic slogan is “I don’t know”, but in a question of belief, there is no such thing. There is no way to not know if you believe in something. You either believe or you don’t, and if you “don’t know” that means you don’t. You fail to give a positive answer. The problem with agnosticism is that it gets you into meaningless statements about probability, as you've done here.

The way you take their side,the way you let them go unchallenged, and the way you attack new posters remind me of Pavlov's dog. What is the payoff? And please, don't point out your awards,you actions speaks volumes.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: QUIZ: "Am I going to HEAVEN or HELL?" Most accurate test ever!

Where's yours that they were?

The fact that each of two bears slaughtered 21 children. Pretty good evidence if you ask me, sounds like a miracle.

Agnosticism is just the politically correct face of atheism.

Obviously, you don't even know what "agnostic" means. Let's ask an atheist:

Once it is understood that atheism is merely the absence of belief in any gods, it becomes evident that agnosticism is not, as many assume, a “third way” between atheism and theism. The presence of a belief in a god and the absence of a belief in a god exhaust all of the possibilities. Agnosticism is not about belief in god but about knowledge — it was coined originally to describe the position of a person who could not claim to know for sure if any gods exist or not.

Thus, it is clear that agnosticism is compatible with both theism and atheism. A person can believe in a god (theism) without claiming to know for sure if that god exists; the result is agnostic theism. On the other hand, a person can disbelieve in gods (atheism) without claiming to know for sure that no gods can or do exist; the result is agnostic atheism.

[Seventy]

Re: QUIZ: "Am I going to HEAVEN or HELL?" Most accurate test ever!

This guy is obsessed with those bears. I mean it's a good story and it teaches kids a valuable lesson about respect but it's not walking on water for a miracle. Bears are savage beasts; all God needed to do was make them miraculously more ferocious. If he wants a miracle to really praise God for he needs to go for something that violates these so-called laws of physics.

You say two magic bears was sent by your god to kill 21 kids each, and you wonder why I'm obsessed with this line of reasoning?

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: QUIZ: "Am I going to HEAVEN or HELL?" Most accurate test ever!

You say two magic bears was sent by your god to kill 21 kids each, and you wonder why I'm obsessed with this line of reasoning?

21 screaming, running, terrified kids each? Sure sounds like a miracle to me. How else could two bears kill 42 kids? They'd all be running in different directions!

[Seventy]

Re: QUIZ: "Am I going to HEAVEN or HELL?" Most accurate test ever!

Obviously, you don't even know what "agnostic" means. Let's ask an atheist:

Agnostic atheism,is that better? I didn't think I had to put atheism with it since it's clear who i was talking about. Their stance is just like I said, in the middle of the road. No matter what, an agnostic still stand in the middle of the road. And read your link,you will see that my discretion is the same.

Here is the "dictionary" definition of the word.

ag·nos·tic (g-nstk)
n.
1.
a. One who believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a God.
b. One who is skeptical about the existence of God but does not profess true atheism.
2. One who is doubtful or noncommittal about something.

You seem with me, there is not doubt. There are no gods.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: QUIZ: "Am I going to HEAVEN or HELL?" Most accurate test ever!

Agnostic atheism,is that better? I didn't think I had to put atheism with it since it's clear who i was talking about. Their stance is just like I said, in the middle of the road.

Reading comprehension.

Seriously, buddy.

"agnostic" is not "between" atheist and theist.

The link was PRETTY F*CKING CLEAR for anyone not an utter imbecile.

[Didymus Much]

Re: QUIZ: "Am I going to HEAVEN or HELL?" Most accurate test ever!

As you seem to have a problem distinguishing between what I actually believe, and what I'm willing to "accept for the sake of argument because it is the accepted truth here", everything I don't really believe (no matter what you say or think) in this post will be marked with a *. I hope this will help.

Where's yours that they were?...

Ordinary bears would not kill forty-two children at once. They would only kill what they could eat at the time. Any excess would be left for scavengers (ie. the bear's own competition). Why would they help their competitors?

I don't see how a being that managed to create the entire universe and all it's contents in six days* would have a problem enhancing a couple of ordinary bears, but you apparently do. It's not like the Bible says that they had frikkin' laser beams on their heads or anything.

...You don't rock the boat too much and your post count is evidence of this...

I don't rock the boat too much because, oh yeah, THIS AIN'T MY FORUM. It does not exist to spread my viewpoints. I am a guest here, and I know how to behave like one.

... The agnostic slogan is “I don’t know”, but in a question of belief, there is no such thing. There is no way to not know if you believe in something. You either believe or you don’t, and if you “don’t know” that means you don’t...

No, it means you don't have the confidence in your own ability to judge the matter in question, or you don't have the balls to risk offending someone (who invited any offense given by asking the question in the first place).

For example: a friend's 12 year old daughter asked me recently who I liked better, Lady Gaga or Justin Bieber. When I answered that I thought they both sucked, she was offended. Fortunately, she's smart and open-minded enough to appreciate the discussion we had afterward about marketing machines and the crap (material and spiritual) they exist to sell, and why 12 year old girls are so highly targeted.

...You fail to give a positive answer. The problem with agnosticism is that it gets you into meaningless statements about probability, as you've done here...

Where in "Where's your proof they weren't magic bears?" is there a "meaningless statement about probability"?

...The way you take their side,...

I only agree with them about the words printed in the Bible. That's about it, really.

Do you really fall for the fallacy of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend"? If so, read more Machiavelli, Sun Tzu, and Von Clausewitz (to start).

...the way you let them go unchallenged...

WOW, just wow. Just because you don't see something, it doesn't exist?? Go tell your science teachers that they've failed, HARD (in your case at least).

What makes you think you're party to more than 1/10th of what goes on here?

...and the way you attack new posters...

Only the ones who insist that the Bible says things it really doesn't (like you), or attempt to spread mis- or disinformation about science.

... remind me of Pavlov's dog...

Yeah, I know Zeke wants to "ring my bell", but it really ain't gonna happen.

... What is the payoff?...

Why is that any of your concern?

... And please, don't point out your awards,you actions speaks volumes.

In a language that you can't understand.

[Seventy]

Re: QUIZ: "Am I going to HEAVEN or HELL?" Most accurate test ever!

Reading comprehension.

Seriously, buddy.

"agnostic" is not "between" atheist and theist.

The link was PRETTY F*CKING CLEAR for anyone not an utter imbecile.

I just turned you into a "lackwit", how did I do that? Do you remember asking a member this? So now,what is your excuse? Like it or not, an agnostic is a neutral position.

ag·nos·tic (g-nstk)

b. One who is skeptical about the existence of God but does not profess true atheism.

2. One who is doubtful or noncommittal about something.

Now take your pick, if you have a problem with the how it is defined, take it up with Mr.Webster.

[Seventy]

Re: QUIZ: "Am I going to HEAVEN or HELL?" Most accurate test ever!

Ordinary bears would not kill forty-two children at once. They would only kill what they could eat at the time. Any excess would be left for scavengers (ie. the bear's own competition). Why would they help their competitors?

So are you implying they didn't kill 42 kids, but killed fewer and left the others alive for other wild life to kill? Re what you have wrote and see the implications.

If they killed what they could eat, then they didn't kill 42 kids. You said it, not me.

I don't see how a being that managed to create the entire universe and all it's contents in six days* would have a problem enhancing a couple of ordinary bears, but you apparently do. It's not like the Bible says that they had frikkin' laser beams on their heads or anything.

I'm not an creationist, I'm an evolutionist.

I don't rock the boat too much because, oh yeah, THIS AIN'T MY FORUM. It does not exist to spread my viewpoints. I am a guest here, and I know how to behave like one.

Behave? Nice word choice.

Now what has your "behaving" gotten you? Nothing but ridicule in the form of awards that degrade you. Now don't blame me, you are the one that defined what you were. Maybe you should reflect on this a bit before doing it again, because this has been pointed out to you twice. If was in the form of the question asking you why are you defending these people.

No, it means you don't have the confidence in your own ability to judge the matter in question, or you don't have the balls to risk offending someone

Oh yes I do, just look at my infractions from bab alone, and my icons.

Where in "Where's your proof they weren't magic bears?" is there a "meaningless statement about probability"?

The comment itself was meaningless.

I only agree with them about the words printed in the Bible. That's about it, really.

Well we all do, that is why we point out their hypocritical nature, because of what it says.

Only the ones who insist that the Bible says things it really doesn't (like you), or attempt to spread mis- or disinformation about science.

Oh,you mean like magic bears, now who did that come from, and who is defending it? Show me where in the bible does it say this:

Ordinary bears would not kill forty-two children at once. They would only kill what they could eat at the time. Any excess would be left for scavengers (ie. the bear's own competition). Why would they help their competitors?

Is this an example of you saying something the good book doesn't say?

Yeah, I know Zeke wants to "ring my bell", but it really ain't gonna happen.

What point him out, you answer all of their calls when you rush to their defense. Just like you're doing here.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: QUIZ: "Am I going to HEAVEN or HELL?" Most accurate test ever!

Didymus doesn't believe the bears ever existed so it's all a moot point.

We, however, know they existed and killed 42 insolent brats between them in God's glorious name. What's weird is that you seem incapable of seeing the obvious evidence of a miracle in that event. It's not up there with fitting all animal life into a boat and re populating the planet from eight people but it's still worthy of consideration as one of God's finer moments.

[Seventy]

Re: QUIZ: "Am I going to HEAVEN or HELL?" Most accurate test ever!

Didymus doesn't believe the bears ever existed so it's all a moot point.

Then he needs to stop arguing the point then. Do you see me defending anything about the bible? No, because I don't believe in it, and that is why I don't believe in the magical bears theory.

Many in the religious culture insist that the god and the Holy Bible provide the foundation for all morality. This one act alone disproves this notion.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: QUIZ: "Am I going to HEAVEN or HELL?" Most accurate test ever!

Then he needs to stop arguing the point then. Do you see me defending anything about the bible? No, because I don't believe in it, and that is why I don't believe in the magical bears theory.

Many in the religious culture insist that the god and the Holy Bible provide the foundation for all morality. This one act alone disproves this notion.

Have you done any experiments with ordinary bears and large groups of children out in the open to see how many they catch? Those were seriously divinely motivated bears, by any standards unless you can prove that ordinary bears can do that. I don't need to do the experiment. For me, it's enough that it happened incontrovertibly in the most trustworthy book of all time.

You're the one making the extraordinary claim that they were not magic bears or divinely empowered bears or something. Tell me how it could have happened with ordinary bears. Prove it!

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: QUIZ: "Am I going to HEAVEN or HELL?" Most accurate test ever!

I just turned into a "lackwit"

No, you've been a lackwit for quite some time. At least since before you joined this forum.

Let me use a popular atheist resource for you:

http://wiki.ironchariots.org/index.php?title=Atheist_vs._agnostic

Theism addresses the issue of belief. For any claim asserting the existence of a god, a theist is an individual who accepts (or positively believes) that the claim is true and an atheist (literally, "one without theism") is someone who does not.

...

Gnosticism (in the general sense being discussed here) addresses the issue of what one knows or claims to know. For any claim regarding the existence of a god, a gnostic is an individual who claims knowledge that the assertion is true and an agnostic (literally, "one who lacks knowledge") is someone who makes no such claim.

More detail at the link, lackwit.

[John Blackthorn]

Re: QUIZ: "Am I going to HEAVEN or HELL?" Most accurate test ever!

I don't understand so maybe you guys can help me out with this. The title of this thread is "QUIZ: Am I going to Heaven or Hell?" So my question is if you claim to be christian why are there all of these question when the Bible specifically states in Ephesians 2:8-9 "For by grace you have been saved through faith and that not of yourselves it is the gift of God; not as a result of works so that no man may boast." So to me that's simple, clear, and cuts to the chase, no where in there does it ask me to answer a set of fifty question proving to be some perfect person. So where or what influences this Quiz and questions when it clearly states right in Ephesians that its not about being the perfect person in order to be saved. Not to mention God's most important rules which are love God and love people. So then I can imagine your confusion as well as mine when I read question

46) Negroes are made by God to be our servants.

Now for the record God is an all powerful, all knowing, all loving being, and has instructed us as stated, that above all else we are to love him and love people. The question I keep coming back to myself is that if God is all love and he has instructed us to love people then why would he create people to be our servants and be looked down upon....that to me somewhere along just doesn't jive....I know crazy right!?

But my favorites by far are questions
15) Should non-believers be put to death?
31) Christians should not have any friends or associates who are non-Christian.

Once again I don't know about you but but I have read the bible and the God of the bible is an all loving God that wants to have a loving relationship with us. Multiple times through out the bible does it tell us to reach out and share the good news, to seek others and participate in evangelism, not only through words but through examples such as the apostle Paul.


"Landover Church "Where the worthwhile worship. Unsaved welcome!"

You guys might want to strongly consider changing that title. After reading through a few threads and seeing members post questions about topics they were not very sure about or had preexisting beliefs they were immediately labeled "Confirmed enemy of God, Eternal damnation assured, or another I saw was unsaved trash. So unsaved are not welcome here because your immediately gonna turn them off the whole idea instead of giving fact back answers and a desire to help.....honestly probably a good thing that way they can stay away from this site.

P.S. Obviously this is a throw away account I happened to find this site through an atheist discussion board that was making fun of this site...honestly they weren't to far off, this site is a complete turn off from Christianity and well as most of your facts/arguments are wrong and some just plain made up. Of course this post will either be deleted or I'll inevitably be labeled Gods enemy or something but if this post does stay up I would take great pleasure in seeing what your answers are.

Landover Church: Home of the Batshit Insane......its been real.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: QUIZ: "Am I going to HEAVEN or HELL?" Most accurate test ever!

its been real.

No, apparently it's been a big joke to you.

Why bother to join a Christian church's discussion forum to mock Christians? Why not go down to your Mommy's church and tell her and all her friends off publicly?

Imagine how brave you'd really be if you had Jesus in you!

Once again I don't know about you but but I have read the bible and the God of the bible is an all loving God that wants to have a loving relationship with us.

Apparently you haven't. Do tell, was He "all-loving" when He gave Noah 100 years to build a big boat, but didn't warn any of the people about the Flood? Was He "all-loving" when He drowned all the people, including the babies who hadn't had a chance to defy Him yet, along with the puppies and bunnies and fuzzy little chicks, all because the adults didn't do what He wanted?

And when He resurrects you from unknowing death (Ecclesiastes 9:5), along with all other sinners and non-Christians, specifically so He can burn you alive for all time in His Lake of Fire (Revelation chapters 20-22), how does that show Him as "all-loving"?