[Alphonse Alban]

Re: Manly Jokes

There is reason to believe, from the Bible, that Satan works for God.

I would not go as far as saying that Satan works for God. It's more likely that God allows Satan to lure in weak minded people who does not believe in God.
However as God created everything, He must have created Satan as well. God is also source of all evil, so it could be seen that God is working through Satan to punish people not following His will.

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

[Bogdana Alkeav]

Re: Manly Jokes

Forgive me for using that source, I read it briefly and thought it would provide a good overview of how the devil came to exist. Jewish tradition is not always Christian.

So I must ask again, where in the BIBLE does it say how the devil came to exist? There is reason to believe, from the Bible, that Satan works for God.

Does Satan Work For God?

As for Romans 10:9...I think the point is that if you say 'Jesus is Lord' without it being true in your heart then you will not be saved. What about people who are unable to speak for whatever reason, do you think because they cannot form these words they will not be saved. It is in our heart what matters, if we are unable to say these words but believe in our heart that Jesus is Lord then we will be saved.

Right. So to be saved, God requires you take him on as your Lord. I guess we're agreed.

[Steve]

Re: Manly Jokes

Piss off, the adults are talking Zekey.

Yes we are. So shouldn't you be fetching us a beer?

[Bogdana Alkeav]

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Hey! Yea, you! Communist whore! Get the hell out of the MEN's ONLY section of the forum! You may be a joke but you sure aren't manly!

Piss off, the adults are talking Zekey.

[AdamE135]

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I think that website is twisting scripture. For example, it claims that a passage from Ezekiel 28:12-18 is talking about the devil when read in context it is talking about a human being, the king of Babylon. It also doesn't say anything about the devil having been a cherub and the most powerful of God's angelic beings, as the article claims.

According to ancient Jewish tradition, satan is an angel who is still in good-standing with God, whose job it is to test people. He has no free will of his own.



Romans 10:9 That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Forgive me for using that source, I read it briefly and thought it would provide a good overview of how the devil came to exist. Jewish tradition is not always Christian.

As for Romans 10:9...I think the point is that if you say 'Jesus is Lord' without it being true in your heart then you will not be saved. What about people who are unable to speak for whatever reason, do you think because they cannot form these words they will not be saved. It is in our heart what matters, if we are unable to say these words but believe in our heart that Jesus is Lord then we will be saved.

Matthew 15:11-20
King James Version (KJV)
11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.

because...

18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.

19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:

20 These are the things which defile a man

[AdamE135]

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Friend, you are an admitted sinner as is your wife. You will not go to Heaven. You must repent and sin no more if there is going to be any chance of you going to Heaven. See friend, all True Christians™ are going. We do not sin. We have been washed in His Blood and we follow His word EXACTLY as written in the Bible. We do not interpret, we do not skip parts, we do not think we know better than Him. So friend, you are a deluded, confused person, no doubt with demons in your colon causing that tense feeling you get from time to time. Think about it.

The Bible tells us we are born sinners, we therefore must admit we are sinners. I have asked God to wash away my sins, and so has my wife. We follow Jesus to the best of our ability, however there are times when we sin because we our human, God's grace however still means that these sins are washed away so that I may be clean because Jesus is in my heart.

You name call by saying I am 'deluded,confused' instead of offering pray and support as a TRUE Christian would.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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I think that website is twisting scripture. For example, it claims that a passage from Ezekiel 28:12-18 is talking about the devil when read in context it is talking about a human being, the king of Babylon. It also doesn't say anything about the devil having been a cherub and the most powerful of God's angelic beings, as the article claims.

According to ancient Jewish tradition, satan is an angel who is still in good-standing with God, whose job it is to test people. He has no free will of his own.



Romans 10:9 That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Hey! Yea, you! Communist whore! Get the hell out of the MEN's ONLY section of the forum! You may be a joke but you sure aren't manly!

[Bogdana Alkeav]

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Maybe reading this would help you understand the existance of Satan.
http://www.godandscience.org/doctrine/who_is_satan.html

I think that website is twisting scripture. For example, it claims that a passage from Ezekiel 28:12-18 is talking about the devil when read in context it is talking about a human being, the king of Babylon. It also doesn't say anything about the devil having been a cherub and the most powerful of God's angelic beings, as the article claims.

According to ancient Jewish tradition, satan is an angel who is still in good-standing with God, whose job it is to test people. He has no free will of his own.

Also I do not think God demands we call him Lord...What matter is that we Love and try to follow him.

Romans 10:9 That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

[James Hutchins]

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Friend, you are an admitted sinner as is your wife. You will not go to Heaven. You must repent and sin no more if there is going to be any chance of you going to Heaven. See friend, all True Christians(tm) are going. We do not sin. We have been washed in His Blood and we follow His word EXACTLY as written in the Bible. We do not interpret, we do not skip parts, we do not think we know better than Him. So friend, you are a deluded, confused person, no doubt with demons in your colon causing that tense feeling you get from time to time. Think about it.

[AdamE135]

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I see NO reference in the Bible anywhere that says anything about why the devil exists. Can you help me out? Any particular verse I should look for?



Not particularly, but I appreciate you trying to answer my questions and being polite about it. You are definitely more polite than the baptists here.

Maybe reading this would help you understand the existance of Satan.

http://www.godandscience.org/doctrine/who_is_satan.html

To explain how I dont think calling himself Lord was boastful I will use an example.

Lets say I made up a new name e.g 'herontay' (literally just made that up there now)..and I decided to name my daughter 'herontay'. herontay is very beautiful and became known for her beauty. This caused people to describe beautiful things as being 'herontay'...and lets say 1000 years late people still use the name 'herontay' to describe something beautiful. People may then look back a 1000 years and think 'how could she be named 'herontay'..that is being boastful about her beauty..' BUT orginally the name was created for her..before anything else was associated with it. The Lord is Almightly..and so we can describe things as 'being Lorded over...' but God created the name Lord from scratch..so he was not being boastful when using the name. I hope that now makes more sense to you.

Also I do not think God demands we call him Lord...What matter is that we Love and try to follow him.

I myself find most of the 'bapists' on this site as not being truely Christian where true love is in place.

[Bogdana Alkeav]

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Please look to the Bible for information on why the devil exists.

I see NO reference in the Bible anywhere that says anything about why the devil exists. Can you help me out? Any particular verse I should look for?

but I hope you understand where Im coming from.

Not particularly, but I appreciate you trying to answer my questions and being polite about it. You are definitely more polite than the baptists here.

[AdamE135]

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You haven't really explained how anything was twisted. They just quoted the Bible. Nobody said whether what happened was a result of consequences, they just asked how loving it was. I assume you agree then that the verses shown in the video demonstrate God is loving?



Why does the devil exist?



Really? He even refers to himself as the Lord and demands you do likewise.

No I do not agree with the video, as Ive said i think its been twisted.

Please look to the Bible for information on why the devil exists. He has chosen the name Lord. BUT Before he did the name did not exist, and therefore he did not choose it for the way we can interperat it as someone 'lording something over us..'.. Im not sure I've explained that part clearly..but I hope you understand where Im coming from.

[Bogdana Alkeav]

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I feel it was all twisted. God brought these things about as a consequence of our choice to sin.

You haven't really explained how anything was twisted. They just quoted the Bible. Nobody said whether what happened was a result of consequences, they just asked how loving it was. I assume you agree then that the verses shown in the video demonstrate God is loving?

The devil exists and encourages evil and suffering.

Why does the devil exist?

I do not believe God tries to 'lord' his power over us

Really? He even refers to himself as the Lord and demands you do likewise.

[AdamE135]

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Humour me. What scripture was twisted?



The problem of evil, well aware of it. It wasn't mentioned in that video. Didn't talk about God "allowing" anything. It talked about God intentionally bringing things about.



Again, I brought no complaint about denying the power of the invisible creature you claim exists. The video mentioned how he decides to "lord" this power of his over his creation.

I feel it was all twisted. God brought these things about as a consequence of our choice to sin. The devil exists and encourages evil and suffering. I do not believe God tries to 'lord' his power over us, the examples used are twisted I believe. But I will pray for you.

[Bogdana Alkeav]

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I would try to explain but I would be using the scripture which I feel has been twisted in the video you agree with.

Humour me. What scripture was twisted?

I myself have struggled with how God has let the world suffer, it is to do with our sin.

The problem of evil, well aware of it. It wasn't mentioned in that video. Didn't talk about God "allowing" anything. It talked about God intentionally bringing things about.

It is true we are not to boast, but i do not feel the Bible does this by mentioning power, it speaks the truth and speaks of how to be humble yet that does not mean to deny Gods power.

Again, I brought no complaint about denying the power of the invisible creature you claim exists. The video mentioned how he decides to "lord" this power of his over his creation.