[s. warnin]

Re: Hey There

None of these tell me that I should look down upon those who do not believe.



A mature Christian. One that will do as God asks and love everyone. One that will treat everyone as his equal. One that will have respect for others. One that will worship God for all he has given him.

That is the kind of Christian I am.

You are not a mature Christian if you believe that what you just said is the criteria for being a mature Christian. Why should we worship God? Revelation 4:11 "Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created."

We should worship God because He is worthy to be worshiped...because He is God. He created all things for His pleasure...not ours. So, worshiping Him for all that he has given you misplaced; it's like loving your parents, not because they are you parents, but because they give you lots of stuff.

Make sense?

[s. warnin]

Re: Hey There

I do believe that you are the first to actually welcome me. Pleasure to meet you!



And I do believe Jesus died for our sins. If you believe that Jesus is your savior then that is your ticket to Heaven.

Bashing other peoples beliefs, on the other hand, does not get you into Heaven.

Neither does intellectual snobism or thinking that everything is okay just because you think it. You can believe that Jesus is your savior all you want..but what does God say? Matthew 3:2 "And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."

See you left out the part about repenting, for example, Job 42:6 "Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent In dust and ashes."

Acts 2:38 "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."

Acts 22:16 "And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord."

Mark 16:16 "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."

You also left out the part about being baptized. You must not simply believe you must also truly comprehend that you are a sinner, repent (that means don't don't keep sinning), and wash away your sins through baptism.

If you're gonna try to tell someone else how to be saved, at least tell them what the Bible says about it.

[Didymus Much]

Re: Hey There

...Bashing other peoples beliefs, on the other hand, does not get you into Heaven.

Then why does the Bible say 2 Timothy 4:2 "Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine." ?

re·buke    [ri-byook] Show IPA verb, -buked, -buk·ing, noun verb (used with object)
1. to express sharp, stern disapproval of; reprove; reprimand. noun
2. sharp, stern disapproval; reproof; reprimand.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/rebuke

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Hey There

Ever since I've been here, I've heard nothing except for "You're wrong because of this" and you tell me that my beliefs are bad.

But you ARE wrong.

What you say is plain wrong as far as scripture is concerned and where do you find out about the Christian God if not in scripture?

You can't find out about your make-believe God in the Bible because you made him up.

That, in essence, is your problem. I don't have to worry about whether I'm right because if I have any doubts I just reach for the Bible. My conscience is often wrong. When I check the Bible, sure enough I find out that God is really clear and unambiguous about what I actually should be doing.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Hey There

Bashing other peoples beliefs, on the other hand, does not get you into Heaven.

"Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds" -- 2 John 1:9-11


"Whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman." -- 2 Chronicles 15:13

[Octavia]

Re: Hey There

Neither does intellectual snobism or thinking that everything is okay just because you think it.

I have not been an intellectual snob at all, if that's what you are implying. And I never said things are okay just because I think it. I've given a few verses from the Bible that show where my beliefs come from.

But you ARE wrong.

In your opinion, and according to your version of Christianity I am wrong. According to myself and many other believers I am not, though.

You'll have to understand that there are many different versions of Christianity because there are many different interpretations of what the Bible is saying.

You have your opinions on what the verses say, and I have mine.

[Deaner]

Re: Hey There

You'd better get ON FIRE for Jesus soon, or you'll be ON FIRE forever!

That scared the shit out of me. Brother V; do you think I'll be alright?

[Deaner]

Re: Hey There

In your opinion, and according to your version of Christianity I am wrong. According to myself and many other believers I am not, though.

If we call you a slut for having sex with 60 men in a row; and some other lieberal church says you are just fine; who are you going to believe?

[James Hutchins]

Re: Hey There

Hi Octavia. Welcome. I have read most of what you have said and still, one simple question lingers for me as I am merely a country fellow. I am sure you have a simple and clear answer.
How did you decide what parts of the teaching of God did you know were unimportant (I guess you'd call them poorly thought out) or incorrect (I suppose you'd call them lies)? See, I have read the KJV at least once a month, cover to cover for almost all my life. You would think by now, based on your comments, that I would be able to readily identify the parts where God was not 100% serious.
Can you help me, please?

Your new Internet Friend in Christ,
James

[Deaner]

Re: Hey There

Hi Octavia. Welcome. I have read most of what you have said and still, one simple question lingers for me as I am merely a country fellow. I am sure you have a simple and clear answer.
How did you decide what parts of the teaching of God did you know were unimportant (I guess you'd call them poorly thought out) or incorrect (I suppose you'd call them lies)? See, I have read the KJV at least once a month, cover to cover for almost all my life. You would think by now, based on your comments, that I would be able to readily identify the parts where God was not 100% serious.
Can you help me, please?

Your new Internet Friend in Christ,
James

I am proud to call you a member of our Church Brother James for such a sensitive and well thought out message from Christ. I only wish I had your insightfullness.

[Octavia]

Re: Hey There

Hi Octavia. Welcome. I have read most of what you have said and still, one simple question lingers for me as I am merely a country fellow. I am sure you have a simple and clear answer.
How did you decide what parts of the teaching of God did you know were unimportant (I guess you'd call them poorly thought out) or incorrect (I suppose you'd call them lies)? See, I have read the KJV at least once a month, cover to cover for almost all my life. You would think by now, based on your comments, that I would be able to readily identify the parts where God was not 100% serious.
Can you help me, please?

Your new Internet Friend in Christ,
James

First of all, I thank you for the respectful question rather than outright attacking me like the others. That's what I was hoping for when I joined here.

Now, it's not that I think they were poorly thought out or incorrect, I just think that people interpret them in many different ways. That's why we have so many different types of Christianity. All Christianity has the same core belief, but its the other things within the Bible that is commonly debated.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Hey There

First of all, I thank you for the respectful question rather than outright attacking me like the others. That's what I was hoping for when I joined here.

Now, it's not that I think they were poorly thought out or incorrect, I just think that people interpret them in many different ways. That's why we have so many different types of Christianity. All Christianity has the same core belief, but its the other things within the Bible that is commonly debated.

That's why we just stick with exactly what the Bible says. When you start "interpreting" things, then you start to put certain parts before others and wind up neglecting to follow the whole thing. Our policy is to follow every single word of the entire document.

Doing this, we don't have to worry about how to interpret things. We just do what it says.

Do you see how stupid your pseudo-Christianity is now?

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Hey There

2 Peter 1:20: Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

[Octavia]

Re: Hey There

That's why we just stick with exactly what the Bible says. When you start "interpreting" things, then you start to put certain parts before others and wind up neglecting to follow the whole thing. Our policy is to follow every single word of the entire document.

Doing this, we don't have to worry about how to interpret things. We just do what it says.

The Bible is full of metaphors. It's hardly ever straight forward.

Do you see how stupid your pseudo-Christianity is now?

Let's be a little more mature about this. We aren't in kindergarten anymore.

[s. warnin]

Re: Hey There

I have not been an intellectual snob at all, if that's what you are implying. And I never said things are okay just because I think it. I've given a few verses from the Bible that show where my beliefs come from.



In your opinion, and according to your version of Christianity I am wrong. According to myself and many other believers I am not, though.

You'll have to understand that there are many different versions of Christianity because there are many different interpretations of what the Bible is saying.

You have your opinions on what the verses say, and I have mine.

Okay Octavia, you are obviously here for a reason...perhaps, giving you the benefit of the doubt, your heart is in the right place but your head is in your duffle bag. So...once more...

Everything that has been quoted to you is accurate. There are not "many different versions of Christianity" Octavia. There is one Son of God, who says what He says about Himself, you and me, what we are to believe, how we are to worship, how we are saved and why we go to hell. Those things are written in God's Word Octavia. What you think is not important. It is what God says about Himself that is important. Whether you choose to believe what God says or not is up to you; nevertheless, Octavia, it does not change what God says. The different versions that you speak of are lies; albeit, very convincing lies because 2 Corinthians 11:14 tells us "And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light." The father of lies himself invents those "versions of Christianity". They may be hard to discern, for the most convincing lies are the ones with elements of truth. Don't be deceived Octavia.

If you are going to claim to be a Christian, you must believe ALL of what God says...every last bit of it. You can't be a part-time Christian or a partial-Christian, believing and not believing what you decide. It does not work that way.

Jesus said it best Luke 11:23 "He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with me scattereth." That's pretty clear to me Octavia. You can't be with Him on some things and not on other things. You are with Him or against him...period...no room for interpretation.

So, have you actually read the Bible, KJV1611 cover to cover?