[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Hey There

What are you asking exactly? Whether or not I think those verses are metaphors?

you're being purposely dense, no?

This is a marvellous debating technique, to be sure.

I'm asking you how you discern what is metaphor and what is not. I picked examples so you can wow us with your technique and would draw you back to them rather than debating this spurious "define definition" ploy.

Jeremiah 20:16

Genesis 1:1-5

[Octavia]

Re: Hey There

you're being purposely dense, no?

This is a marvellous debating technique, to be sure.

I would rather clarify the question you are asking rather than answering it wrong.

I'm asking you how you discern what is metaphor and what is not

From what I've seen, if a group of people read the same thing, but then have a different opinion about what the reading is saying, then that could possibly mean it's a metaphor.

Jesus used them all the time, so it's not as if the Bible doesn't contain any.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Hey There

I would rather clarify the question you are asking rather than answering it wrong.



From what I've seen, if a group of people read the same thing, but then have a different opinion about what the reading is saying, then that could possibly mean it's a metaphor.

Jesus used them all the time, so it's not as if the Bible doesn't contain any.

So answer the question then. In the matter of those specific examples: in your esteemed opinion are they or are they not metaphors and if so what reasoning did you use?

You see I've heard many people blether on about how Mary wasn't a virgin really because of this and that but it quite specifically says so in the Bible and you say it's true and not up for interpretation so I'm even more confused now by your answer than I was then.

I just don't get how you manage to see so clearly what is and is not to be taken literally and you're hedging because I think we both know that really it's down to what your conscience tells you but you wrap it all up in mealy nonsense because you know exactly where I'm going with this. Namely that you are a false lukewarm Christian.

Revelation 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

[Jack O'fagan]

Re: Hey There

'From what I've seen, if a group of people read the same thing, but then have a different opinion about what the reading is saying, then that could possibly mean it's a metaphor.'

Octavia, atheists read the Bible and have a different opinion than we do. Does that mean that the whole Bible might be a metaphor?

Jack

[James Hutchins]

Re: Hey There

0..........I apologize for making you feel ignored, but I had felt that those questions had already been answered previously.

Anyway, we're just going in circles here. You all have your own beliefs, and I have mine. It's just something we are going to have to accept. And by doing discussions like this we help ourselves solidify our beliefs. That is my main goal in most of this.

Forgive me for asking a question. People often ask me a question several times, I do not get all snotty about it.
Do get like that with Jesus too? If you pray once and He does not give you want you think you need, do you get an attitude with Him also?

You've really hurt my feelings. I recall you saying something about loving your fellow man and this is what you do? Wow...

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Hey There

I would rather clarify the question you are asking rather than answering it wrong.

I would not have guessed, based on the quality of your answers.

From what I've seen, if a group of people read the same thing, but then have a different opinion about what the reading is saying, then that could possibly mean it's a metaphor.

From what I've seen, that has nothing to do with whether or not something is a metaphor. In fact, an aptly used metaphor is obviously such in context. You are merely speculating that the verses which make you uncomfortable might be metaphors, and you don't even know for sure what they are metaphors about. Are you saying that God employs metaphors poorly? His word is perfect, and therefore if He used metaphors it would be obvious what they meant, or He would explain them like Jesus' parables. If the Bible contained obscure metaphors that were not explained, then it would be imperfect. Vastly so.

Jesus used them all the time, so it's not as if the Bible doesn't contain any.

The fact that Jesus spoke in parables has nothing to do with whether or not the law is a metaphor, or the plain statements made about the flood and the virgin birth are metaphors.

[Octavia]

Re: Hey There

Forgive me for asking a question. People often ask me a question several times, I do not get all snotty about it.
Do get like that with Jesus too? If you pray once and He does not give you want you think you need, do you get an attitude with Him also?

You've really hurt my feelings. I recall you saying something about loving your fellow man and this is what you do? Wow...

I was away for a while, and then came back here to find several replies to my latest post. I decided that I would answer all of them in a larger single post instead of having to reply to every single person. You were all telling me the same thing anyway, so I thought that was good enough.

Again, I apologize.

Anyway, you all came to this thread to find out what my beliefs are, and now you know. I'm not here to change your opinions, only to see what all of you are about.

It is unfortunate that you all can't be as respectful as this man here. I thank you James Hutchins for being respectful.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Hey There

Anyway, you all came to this thread to find out what my beliefs are, and now you know. I'm not here to change your opinions, only to see what all of you are about.

So you are not going to tell us what your reasoning is because you don't want us to change our opinions? I don't mean to point out the obvious, but it seems suspiciously like you just don't have good reasons to back up your beliefs about the Bible and its subject matter.

Why don't you just tell us why it is wrong to take God at His word? It should be easy for you, assuming your view is based on reason.

[Octavia]

Re: Hey There

So you are not going to tell us what your reasoning is because you don't want us to change our opinions? I don't mean to point out the obvious, but it seems suspiciously like you just don't have good reasons to back up your beliefs about the Bible and its subject matter.

I've given several verses that show where my beliefs come from.

This has turned to senseless arguing rather than intellectual discussion (which I came here for).

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Hey There

I've given several verses that show where my beliefs come from.

This has turned to senseless arguing rather than intellectual discussion (which I came here for).

Why do you only believe those verses? Why don't you believe the whole thing?

The beginning of intellectual discussion is intellectual honesty.

[Octavia]

Re: Hey There

Why do you only believe those verses? Why don't you believe the whole thing?

I could ask you the same thing.

[s. warnin]

Re: Hey There

God gave us life so that we could enjoy it. He wouldn't create us for any other purpose.

Wrong again Octavia Colossians 1:16 "For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:"

God gave us life for His own purpose. Doesn't say anything about Him creating us for our own pleasure...that's a self-centered view.

[Octavia]

Re: Hey There

God gave us life for His own purpose. Doesn't say anything about Him creating us for our own pleasure...that's a self-centered view.

I gave a few verses where the Bible says we should enjoy our lives.

[s. warnin]

Re: Hey There

I gave a few verses where the Bible says we should enjoy our lives.

Big difference between enjoying our lives and being created for our own enjoyment Octavia.

[Octavia]

Re: Hey There

Big difference between enjoying our lives and being created for our own enjoyment Octavia.

Okay