[Tommya]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTH

No need to, but I appreciate your cooperation! I called up my grandnephew, the one who plays Oblivion, and he said he has that game. I'll swing by maybe tomorrow or Thursday and check it out for myself. So far, it doesn't sound that promising of a game.

Keep your eye out in coming days for a fair and balanced review of the game from me!

O rly.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTH

O rly.

Are you calling me a liar? I'm a man of God! I don't engage in deception like some atheists who play video games all day do.

[Tommya]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTH

Are you calling me a liar? I'm a man of God! I don't engage in deception like some atheists who play video games all day do.

Ofcourse you do!
You do a great job at this, a little to good of a job..
Dont you got anything else to do?

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTH

Are you saying there's something better than trying to steer unsaved trash like yourself towards Heaven instead of Hell? There's no more important job in the world if you ask me. Jesus is knocking on your heart's door. If you open it, he will come into you.

[KangsI]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTH

Dude.. you are so fucking naïve.

Why would the word of god be the only true word? Why should EVERYBODY listen to what this fool has got to say? seriously,, get a life

Obviously your mind is so fucked up by obeying his will that u lost your view of reality. Your soul is doomed to go to hell (a place you call heaven)

[cdgfx84]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTH

Like i said, fallout 3 is made by the same people, and IT DOESNT FOLLOW anything like oblivion, it doesnt have evil or good.

I do hate to argue will another unsaved trash, but how does it not have good or evil. I think the option to blow up a town is plenty evil and saving a captive from Super Mutants is good or at least I see it that way.

After hearing all the complaints from the Landover Baptist "church" I think I will have to pick up another copy of Oblivion for my 360 when I bought Fallout 3 I traded in Oblivion. I guess I will have to stop by Gamestop and see if they have it there.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTH

[...]How would you like a private tour of the game, Jim Obsorne? [...] If you have skype, [...] you need to download the plugin, [...] How does that sound?

It sounds to me like a "plug-in" is some sort of iniquitous sex toy to be stuffed up some orifice and that you are trying to trick the Reverend into using "to better understand" what you are up to.

Your vile perversions are your own, you abomination!

[Asgaro]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTH

It sounds to me like a "plug-in" is some sort of iniquitous sex toy to be stuffed up some orifice and that you are trying to trick the Reverend into using "to better understand" what you are up to.

Your vile perversions are your own, you abomination!

LOL, are you kidding?!
Complaining about the 'pervers' word "plug-in"!!
Then I need to tell you that millions of people around the world are perverse, because this a widely know term in the IT sector.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTH

LOL, are you kidding?!
Complaining about the 'pervers' word "plug-in"!!
Then I need to tell you that millions of people around the world are perverse, because this a widely know term in the IT sector.

"IT"? What is that? Something like S&M? B&D? M4M? One of those cryptic initials that deviants use as a code to talk to each other about perversions?

[DrJackel]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTH

Are you kidding me?! I hope this is a joke post, I REALLY do. I am now here to counter all of the things you have just said.

• It is a "Role-Playing Game" for the computer, very similar to the well-known Satanic Dungeons & Dragons.

Okay, first of all, D&D isn't satanic in any way, as for the roleplaying aspect, just like other games. It's a way to escape the troubles of life for a brief moment, to relieve stress.

• You can pick various "races" for your character, including several demonic looking characters called "elves". With their pointed ears and eerie non-human appearances, it allows children to pretend they are a demon themselves.

In the lore of The Elder Scrolls, The elves are a race known for peace and harmony within nature and using combat when provoked. So therefor they are NOT demons by any means.

• The game is chockful of blasphemous magic and witchcraft. The player is able to perform a variety of spells such as hurling fire from one's hands, turning oneself invisible, forcing others' against their will to obey and listen to the character, and conjuring up demons from Hell to fight for the player. In fact, magic and witchcraft are a major part of the game and it's difficult to play the game without resorting to these Satanic means.

Again, back to the role playing aspect of the game, if you wanted to be a powerful wizard seen in alot more popular forms of entertainment such as The Lord Of The Rings. Even in Star Wars they had their own form of magic that could of been used by the good guys (jedis).

• The game makes no mention of God or Jesus Christ, instead it pushes a mythology of "Nine gods". You can go to heretical chapels and actually pray to these gods in this game and they heal you!

That's because it's not on this planet, nor dimension. They would have no form of Jesus Christ, that doesn't make it satanic, it allows the player to completely detach himself from the real life for a short time and relieve some stress.

• There is a realm called "Oblivion" which is definitely just Hell with a different name. You are required to go through this Hell environment during the game.

Yes that is true, but if you didn't start this thread without researching you would of known that the goal of the game is to close all of the portals to Oblivion and stop the "Demons" from coming onto the normal plane and destroying everything.

• Thieving and stealing are promoted in the game. You are allowed to pickpocket other people and steal possessions. One questline of the game actually REWARDS the player for this sinful behavior!

The thieving in the game is completely optional, the only questlines that reward you for this behavior are ones from the Thieves Guild. And if someone's "sinful" enough to join it, chances are is that he was already disturbed in the beginning.

• You can do quests for these demons called "Daedra". By doing these quests, these demons reward you. This tells our children that by serving demons they will get rewarded.

Again, it's completely optional, so chances are if the player was to do these things, he would of already been "disturbed". Or maybe, JUST MAYBE...He would of been smart enough to realize that it's a VIDEO GAME. A WAY OF ESCAPE!

• Alcohol in the form of beer, wine, and brandy is available to the player and can be drunk.

There is alcohol in the game, though you can't actually have the effects of being drunk, it raises your endurence (carrying capacity) and lowers just about everything else. For a brief amount of time.

• his game promotes astrology. Upon creating a character, you are forced to choose a "birthsign". More occult ideas pushed upon the impressionable player.

What's wrong with astrology? Again, it's just another form of the game's lore that makes it such an amazing world unlike any that we've seen in video games.

• There are vampires in the game and a few of them are portrayed as "good guys".

There is only one "good" vampire in the game, he works for the Dark Brotherhood. Which is the game's assassins guild. So again, unless the player already had the urge to join such a guild, he would of done so.

• It is well-understood that playing that demon-worshipping game "Doom" caused those two kids, Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris to do the Columbine shootings.

That is the BIGGEST lie from the media I have EVER heard. Even if it was true, DOOM takes place on mars and you are KILLING demons. It was also proven that Dylan and Eric were both bullied on a day to day basis and that they had mental problems.

• It is also popular for males to play female characters. That way they can seduce other male characters. Takes demon worship to a new level.

Actually, if you played as a female, nothing really changes except a few bits and pieces of dialoge. You can't "Seduce" males into anything.

• I should mention, it looks like a subliminal message to me, but in the picture I closed, do you see the flaming ring of fire? Those are called Oblivion Gates which are pathways to Hell. Just looking at that imagery of the ring makes me think of, well I don't want to be too graphic for this is a Christian message board, but put "flaming" and put "hole" together, and you will see what kind of agenda this is. Clearly, the homosexual lifestyle is a gateway to Hell, but unlike in this game, you can't come back from there once you go!

This is one of the most MORONIC things I have EVER SEEN. That in NO WAY looks like what you are making it seem like. Unless you were a pervert to begin with, I have never heard of anyone saying that, that's what the oblivion gates look like. What else were the gates supposed to look like then?

Overall this thread is just downright WRONG. Then somebody goes and says that J.K Rowling is promoting witchcraft? Really?! It's a form of entertainment and in no context did J.K Rowling say that kids should start practicing magic and ditch christianity. After this thread, I don't think I am a christian anymore. This is getting to rediculous extents people. Cmon it's time to grow up. And that's coming from a 16 year old. I honestly feel attacked upon as a gamer. Shame on you.

[Myron Pollard]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTH

It is spelled ridiculous and if you accept Jesus and the Word of God,you could have eternal life.Otherwise,you will be tormented in Hell....Matthew 10:28, And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell

[Brother Lazarus]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTH

Are you kidding me?! I hope this is a joke post, I REALLY do. I am now here to counter all of the things you have just said.

• It is a "Role-Playing Game" for the computer, very similar to the well-known Satanic Dungeons & Dragons.

Okay, first of all, D&D isn't satanic in any way, as for the roleplaying aspect, just like other games. It's a way to escape the troubles of life for a brief moment, to relieve stress.

• You can pick various "races" for your character, including several demonic looking characters called "elves". With their pointed ears and eerie non-human appearances, it allows children to pretend they are a demon themselves.

In the lore of The Elder Scrolls, The elves are a race known for peace and harmony within nature and using combat when provoked. So therefor they are NOT demons by any means.

• The game is chockful of blasphemous magic and witchcraft. The player is able to perform a variety of spells such as hurling fire from one's hands, turning oneself invisible, forcing others' against their will to obey and listen to the character, and conjuring up demons from Hell to fight for the player. In fact, magic and witchcraft are a major part of the game and it's difficult to play the game without resorting to these Satanic means.

Again, back to the role playing aspect of the game, if you wanted to be a powerful wizard seen in alot more popular forms of entertainment such as The Lord Of The Rings. Even in Star Wars they had their own form of magic that could of been used by the good guys (jedis).

• The game makes no mention of God or Jesus Christ, instead it pushes a mythology of "Nine gods". You can go to heretical chapels and actually pray to these gods in this game and they heal you!

That's because it's not on this planet, nor dimension. They would have no form of Jesus Christ, that doesn't make it satanic, it allows the player to completely detach himself from the real life for a short time and relieve some stress.

• There is a realm called "Oblivion" which is definitely just Hell with a different name. You are required to go through this Hell environment during the game.

Yes that is true, but if you didn't start this thread without researching you would of known that the goal of the game is to close all of the portals to Oblivion and stop the "Demons" from coming onto the normal plane and destroying everything.

• Thieving and stealing are promoted in the game. You are allowed to pickpocket other people and steal possessions. One questline of the game actually REWARDS the player for this sinful behavior!

The thieving in the game is completely optional, the only questlines that reward you for this behavior are ones from the Thieves Guild. And if someone's "sinful" enough to join it, chances are is that he was already disturbed in the beginning.

• You can do quests for these demons called "Daedra". By doing these quests, these demons reward you. This tells our children that by serving demons they will get rewarded.

Again, it's completely optional, so chances are if the player was to do these things, he would of already been "disturbed". Or maybe, JUST MAYBE...He would of been smart enough to realize that it's a VIDEO GAME. A WAY OF ESCAPE!

• Alcohol in the form of beer, wine, and brandy is available to the player and can be drunk.

There is alcohol in the game, though you can't actually have the effects of being drunk, it raises your endurence (carrying capacity) and lowers just about everything else. For a brief amount of time.

• his game promotes astrology. Upon creating a character, you are forced to choose a "birthsign". More occult ideas pushed upon the impressionable player.

What's wrong with astrology? Again, it's just another form of the game's lore that makes it such an amazing world unlike any that we've seen in video games.

• There are vampires in the game and a few of them are portrayed as "good guys".

There is only one "good" vampire in the game, he works for the Dark Brotherhood. Which is the game's assassins guild. So again, unless the player already had the urge to join such a guild, he would of done so.

• It is well-understood that playing that demon-worshipping game "Doom" caused those two kids, Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris to do the Columbine shootings.

That is the BIGGEST lie from the media I have EVER heard. Even if it was true, DOOM takes place on mars and you are KILLING demons. It was also proven that Dylan and Eric were both bullied on a day to day basis and that they had mental problems.

• It is also popular for males to play female characters. That way they can seduce other male characters. Takes demon worship to a new level.

Actually, if you played as a female, nothing really changes except a few bits and pieces of dialoge. You can't "Seduce" males into anything.

• I should mention, it looks like a subliminal message to me, but in the picture I closed, do you see the flaming ring of fire? Those are called Oblivion Gates which are pathways to Hell. Just looking at that imagery of the ring makes me think of, well I don't want to be too graphic for this is a Christian message board, but put "flaming" and put "hole" together, and you will see what kind of agenda this is. Clearly, the homosexual lifestyle is a gateway to Hell, but unlike in this game, you can't come back from there once you go!

This is one of the most mormonIC things I have EVER SEEN. That in NO WAY looks like what you are making it seem like. Unless you were a pervert to begin with, I have never heard of anyone saying that, that's what the oblivion gates look like. What else were the gates supposed to look like then?

Overall this thread is just downright WRONG. Then somebody goes and says that J.K Rowling is promoting witchcraft? Really?! It's a form of entertainment and in no context did J.K Rowling say that kids should start practicing magic and ditch christianity. After this thread, I don't think I am a christian anymore. This is getting to rediculous extents people. Cmon it's time to grow up. And that's coming from a 16 year old. I honestly feel attacked upon as a gamer. Shame on you.

Do you normally go uninvited to a strangers home and hurl insults at him? I'll bet not, but that is what you just did here on God's favorite forum.

Please follow protocol and go the the introduction thread and tell us about yourself. Helpful things like where you go to church, your favorite Bible verse, etc are appreciated.

You might also want to read over the noobs thread.

Thanks!

Yours in Christ
Brother Lazarus

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTH

• The game makes no mention of God or Jesus Christ, instead it pushes a mythology of "Nine gods". You can go to heretical chapels and actually pray to these gods in this game and they heal you!

That's because it's not on this planet, nor dimension. They would have no form of Jesus Christ, that doesn't make it satanic, it allows the player to completely detach himself from the real life for a short time and relieve some stress.

Friend, there fantasy and then there is absurdity. There is no place were God ins't.

• It is also popular for males to play female characters. That way they can seduce other male characters. Takes demon worship to a new level.

Actually, if you played as a female, nothing really changes except a few bits and pieces of dialoge. You can't "Seduce" males into anything.

Really friend, care to comment on the popular gamer activity of "ganking", which is short for "gang rape"? Sounds like there is plenty done to those female characters run by men.

Friend,

When Jesus returns and rolls a toon on Oblivion it is going to be too late to repent of your griefing of the Lord! Christ is going into that player verse player server, going into His God mode, buffs up and teaching you all the meaning of POWNED when He unleashes His smite combos and one shots you all off line for good. It is turn or IP ban for life friend, those are your choices.

Nobody nerfs Jesus

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTH

Are you kidding me?! I hope this is a joke post, I REALLY do. I am now here to counter all of the things you have just said.

If anything, sir, I would hope you are the one writing the joke post. Something that can harm our children is nothing to laugh about. Do you also joke about teen drug abuse and child abductions?

Okay, first of all, D&D isn't satanic in any way, as for the roleplaying aspect, just like other games. It's a way to escape the troubles of life for a brief moment, to relieve stress.

Actually Dungeons and Dragons is very Satanic and for much of the same reasons that I have pointed out exist in Oblivion. I am not the only Christian to have noticed this. Please read this excellently researched Chick Tract for more info on why D&D is Satanic.

Dungeons and Dragons is used as a recruitment tool for witchcraft and Satanism and I fear that Oblivion may be misused in the same way.

In the lore of The Elder Scrolls, The elves are a race known for peace and harmony within nature and using combat when provoked. So therefor they are NOT demons by any means.

I have read into this so-called lore. The Altmer aka High Elves are known as "masters of the arcane arts". The Bosmer aka Wood Elves speak to animals, much in the same way Wiccan high priestesses "communicate with nature". Lastly the Dunmer aka Dark Elves are vulgar and have had a curse put upon them darkening their skin.

A knowledgeable Christian can recognize these Dark Elves as being representatives of both Cain and Ham who had curses put upon them for their sins.

Again, back to the role playing aspect of the game, if you wanted to be a powerful wizard seen in alot more popular forms of entertainment such as The Lord Of The Rings. Even in Star Wars they had their own form of magic that could of been used by the good guys (jedis).

The Lord of the Rings and Star Wars are both Satanic films. It doesn't help that magic is used in these witchcraft movies.

That's because it's not on this planet, nor dimension. They would have no form of Jesus Christ, that doesn't make it satanic, it allows the player to completely detach himself from the real life for a short time and relieve some stress.

I told another poster if he wanted to relieve some stress, open up a King James Bible. The Word of God will always sooth me. In this passage God has answered Paul's prayer for health. Surely He could do the same to relieve stress.

2 Corinthians 1:9-11 (King James Version)


9But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God which raiseth the dead:
10Who delivered us from so great a death, and doth deliver: in whom we trust that he will yet deliver us; 11Ye also helping together by prayer for us, that for the gift bestowed upon us by the means of many persons thanks may be given by many on our behalf.

Yes that is true, but if you didn't start this thread without researching you would of known that the goal of the game is to close all of the portals to Oblivion and stop the "Demons" from coming onto the normal plane and destroying everything.

There is no goal of the game. It is a moral anarchy on behalf of the player. If a player would like to keep these Oblivion "Hell" gates open the whole time, he is free to do so.

The thieving in the game is completely optional, the only questlines that reward you for this behavior are ones from the Thieves Guild. And if someone's "sinful" enough to join it, chances are is that he was already disturbed in the beginning.

Again, my point is not that it is an option, but that it is in there to begin with! Look at this for example: Suppose Oblivion had a secret dungeon whose reward was some child porn movies the player could watch. Wouldn't you be upset that this is in the game? Even though it's completely "optional"?

Again, it's completely optional, so chances are if the player was to do these things, he would of already been "disturbed". Or maybe, JUST MAYBE...He would of been smart enough to realize that it's a VIDEO GAME. A WAY OF ESCAPE!

See above.

There is alcohol in the game, though you can't actually have the effects of being drunk, it raises your endurence (carrying capacity) and lowers just about everything else. For a brief amount of time.

So what this does is it gives a misguided message to our children telling them if they drink beer or vodka in real life, they won't feel anything. There should be strong repercussions for having drunk alcohol, let alone the fact that alcohol should not even be in this game for children.

What's wrong with astrology? Again, it's just another form of the game's lore that makes it such an amazing world unlike any that we've seen in video games.

Astrology is prohibited by the Bible, under the heading of divination and observer of the times.

Deuteronomy 18:10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch.
Deuteronomy 18:11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.

There is only one "good" vampire in the game, he works for the Dark Brotherhood. Which is the game's assassins guild. So again, unless the player already had the urge to join such a guild, he would of done so.

You left out the Count of Skingrad. He is a good guy. Instead of killing him you actually help him! God commands us not to associate with evil.

2nd Corinthians 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

That is the BIGGEST lie from the media I have EVER heard. Even if it was true, DOOM takes place on mars and you are KILLING demons. It was also proven that Dylan and Eric were both bullied on a day to day basis and that they had mental problems.

They may have been bullied. But did you ever think that maybe Doom caused some mental problems? It made them unable to tell fantasy from reality and brought out aggressiveness in both of them.

[Wash O'Hanley]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTH

Folks, this is all well and good but what are we doing about these video games? We can sit here and list all of the bad things that are in these games until the cows come home but that isn't going to stop the impressionable 13 year old or the unemployed 25 year old or the 45 father of two from playing these games. I wouldn't feel right about myself if I didn't at least try to do something to ban these vile games from ever being played by the general public. I propose that we put our heads together and come up with a way to enact legislation so that the good people of this nation will not be subjected to being able to buy these games and play them.