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Thumbs up How to PROVE GOD EXISTS simply by FLIPPING A COIN. - 08-12-2011, 06:27 PM

The success of my 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that Prove the Earth is Flat thread was due to the fact that we can justify the Bible's claims by doing scientific experiments in our own home which show us, before our very eyes, that God's Word is indeed true. One does not need a laboratory, or expensive equipment, or controls to do a proper scientific experiment. In this case, I will show you how how to prove God's existence with a single coin.


STEP ONE

Get any coin. Now, before you flip it, concentrate and pray aloud: "God, if you are real, you will make this coin land Heads." Now, flip the coin.

Did it land heads? GOD'S EXISTENCE IS PROVEN! He has answered your prayer. The coin could've landed tails, but it landed heads. The flipping of a coin is random, but since it landed in agreement with your prayer, there is no other explanation than Divine Intervention.


STEP TWO (IF NECESSARY)

But....what if it landed tails? That's ok. That does not disprove God in the slightest. All that means is that God is testing your faith by making it land tails. So, again, say out loud: "I believe in you Lord and I believe that Jesus Christ died for my sins! Make this land heads!"

Maybe this time it landed heads. If so, this is God rewarding you for your faith. He wanted to make sure you believed in Him, so He made it tails on the first time. This time, he is showing you His presence!

But okay, what if it landed tails again? Starting to doubt? Don't! Like I said, this is God testing your faith. In fact, you can keep flipping the coin and it might keep coming up tails. DON'T LET THIS DISCOURAGE YOU! Just keep flipping and it will come up heads.


STEP THREE (IF NECESSARY)

Now, say you flip the coin ten times and it comes up tails every time. "Surely this is evidence that God doesn't exist", some atheist idiot might claim. "At this point, this is not about your faith being tested, but the fact that there's no God that can make it land heads!"

Well, what I got to say may surprise you: In this case, God made it land tails on purpose. And that proves God. But how?

Did you know the odds of a coin landing tails ten times is astronomically impossible? For you to witness such a rare and unlikely event could only be explained as a miracle! Only God could make a coin land tails ten times in a row! Don't believe me? Start flipping again. See if you can make it land tails tens times again. Go ahead and try it....you'll be there all day.

In conclusion, all an unbeliever has to do is take out a coin and flip it to see in front of their very eyes that God is indeed real and that Jesus Christ died for their sins on the cross.

This scientific experiment has destroyed the atheist's argument and they are afraid to admit it. I submitted this experiment to atheists Richard Dawkins and PZ Myers and they refuse to write back! What are they afraid of? I even entered this into James Randi's One Million Dollar Challenge, but the snot-nosed weasel that works for him told me that this experiment is invalid and proves nothing. I'd bet you One Million Dollars that that slobbering dunce never even tried the experiment. And, honestly, I wouldn't blame him if I knew if I did it, I would have to pay out one million dollars either.



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Default Re: How to PROVE GOD EXISTS simply by FLIPPING A COIN. - 08-12-2011, 07:38 PM

I was trying a similar scientific experiment years ago (before my conversion, of course) at Hosier Park; I was betting black but the roulette wheel must’ve been rigged preventing God’s will to happen. I tend to believe darn indjuns are in cahoots with the devil himself.

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I was trying a similar scientific experiment years ago (before my conversion, of course) at Hosier Park; I was betting black but the roulette wheel must’ve been rigged preventing God’s will to happen. I tend to believe darn indjuns are in cahoots with the devil himself.

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Default Re: How to PROVE GOD EXISTS simply by FLIPPING A COIN. - 08-12-2011, 11:59 PM

I'm not entirely sure that this is an adequate way to prove the existence of the Lord, Reverend. I believe I may have a better idea, feel free to take the idea as you will. How about one step outside, and pray to the Lord that lightning strike the nearest tree, bush, or what have you. If lightning does indeed strike said object, than this is better proof because the chances of lightning striking a specific object are significantly less than a coin landing on heads, and would be harder for an atheist to dispute. Better yet, if you pray for this upon a day with few or no clouds. If the Lord does test your faith, then continue praying for this until the Lord believes that you are worthy. It would be best if no breaks for anything are taken, so that the Lord truly sees your conviction to him.
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I'm not entirely sure that this is an adequate way to prove the existence of the Lord, Reverend. I believe I may have a better idea, feel free to take the idea as you will. How about one step outside, and pray to the Lord that lightning strike the nearest tree, bush, or what have you. If lightning does indeed strike said object, than this is better proof because the chances of lightning striking a specific object are significantly less than a coin landing on heads, and would be harder for an atheist to dispute. Better yet, if you pray for this upon a day with few or no clouds. If the Lord does test your faith, then continue praying for this until the Lord believes that you are worthy. It would be best if no breaks for anything are taken, so that the Lord truly sees your conviction to him.
During a conversation with Satan, Jesus explained:

Luke 4:12 And Iesus answering, said vnto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
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There is a big difference between a man of God (such as Rev. Osborne) testing his own faith or indeed God testing our faith and your blatant attempt to challenge God to some sort of duel with lightning (or bread for that matter). (Have you ever touched an ouija board at any time in your life or ever prostrated yourself before an idol? Ideas like the ones you are suggesting are not new):

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And the deuil saide vnto him, If thou be the Sonne of God, command this stone that it be made bread.
4 And Iesus answered him, saying, It is written, that man shall not liue by bread alone, but by euery word of God.
5 And the deuil taking him vp into an high mountaine, shewed vnto him all the kingdomes of the world in a moment of time.
6 And the deuil said vnto him, All this power will I giue thee, and the glory of them; for that is deliuered vnto me, & to whomsoeuer I will, I giue it.
7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shalbe thine.
8 And Iesus answered and said vnto him, Get thee behinde me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him onely shalt thou serue.

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Default Re: How to PROVE GOD EXISTS simply by FLIPPING A COIN. - 08-13-2011, 12:48 AM

I sincerely apologize for my act, I should have realized that the Lord doesn't need to prove himself to me, because I already know he exists, and our very7 existence is proof of that. Please forgive me for my insult against the Lord.
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Default Re: How to PROVE GOD EXISTS simply by FLIPPING A COIN. - 08-13-2011, 04:48 AM

I think the experiment you're mentioning is flawed in concept.

I don't think we need to mention this is probability math. The coin flip procedure you're mentioning only shows that all tails or all heads is extremely unlikely, but not impossible.

Surely, all heads or tails would be no miracle then, unless miracles can count for things other than events happening that should be impossible. Something being impossible is not the same as incredibly unlikely, which is what the coin flip shows us.

This really doesn't show us anything.
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I think the experiment you're mentioning is flawed in concept.

I don't think we need to mention this is probability math. The coin flip procedure you're mentioning only shows that all tails or all heads is extremely unlikely, but not impossible.

Surely, all heads or tails would be no miracle then, unless miracles can count for things other than events happening that should be impossible. Something being impossible is not the same as incredibly unlikely, which is what the coin flip shows us.

This really doesn't show us anything.
It shows us that atheists will ignore good strong evidence.

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Years back, I lost my $60,000 Porsche 911 on a single spin of the roulette wheel at Caesar's Palace in Vegas. Made a special deal with the pit boss on that one. But, what's important to remember is that Jesus made me lose that spin on purpose: To teach me humility and that material goods aren't the most important things in the world. I think He was also trying to teach me that my gambling problem was getting out of my hands. After that, I tried to rebuild my life and things were getting better. Until the prison sentence. But, after that, I really understood things especially in a Biblical context...

Job 1:21 Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD.
So true; this seemingly unfortunate event (besides few others, which include a "misfortune" at some off-shore banking enterprise, a guy nicked Head Honcho and a hooker in the trunk of my car) sent me on the right path. I stand humbled by His power.

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I think the experiment you're mentioning is flawed in concept.

I don't think we need to mention this is probability math. The coin flip procedure you're mentioning only shows that all tails or all heads is extremely unlikely, but not impossible.

Surely, all heads or tails would be no miracle then, unless miracles can count for things other than events happening that should be impossible. Something being impossible is not the same as incredibly unlikely, which is what the coin flip shows us.

This really doesn't show us anything.
You however demonstrate that you consider us ignorant of the "straw man" fallacy. We are not.
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This really doesn't show us anything.
Be honest, you didn't even try it.

Everyone knows prayer works, this experiment proves it!

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Default Re: How to PROVE GOD EXISTS simply by FLIPPING A COIN. - 08-13-2011, 10:34 AM

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I'm not entirely sure that this is an adequate way to prove the existence of the Lord, Reverend. I believe I may have a better idea, feel free to take the idea as you will. How about one step outside, and pray to the Lord that lightning strike the nearest tree, bush, or what have you. If lightning does indeed strike said object, than this is better proof because the chances of lightning striking a specific object are significantly less than a coin landing on heads, and would be harder for an atheist to dispute. Better yet, if you pray for this upon a day with few or no clouds. If the Lord does test your faith, then continue praying for this until the Lord believes that you are worthy. It would be best if no breaks for anything are taken, so that the Lord truly sees your conviction to him.
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I sincerely apologize for my act, I should have realized that the Lord doesn't need to prove himself to me, because I already know he exists, and our very7 existence is proof of that. Please forgive me for my insult against the Lord.
I will admit to being intrigued by your initial post, in spite of the valid biblical arguments against it. I also commend you for your contrite second post.

At any rate, I stepped out on the front porch earlier. It was raining and I thought back to your "lightning" test and in spite of myself I started wondering how exactly God would punish me for asking Him to do something to prove His existence. I was so embarrassed and ashamed for even THINKING about it that I dropped to my knees and started to pray that He would forgive me, preemptively.

Just then the hairs on the back of my neck stood up and then there was a FLASH! and almost immediately a loud BOOM! and I thought for sure that He had rewarded my near-blasphemy with a thunderbolt right through my skull.

Nope, but get this: the car across the street was smoking. I walked over there and the antenna was melted onto the roof like a black piece of spaghetti and the right front tire was blown out.

I dropped once again to my knees and praised His name!



See, those neighbors are injuns (the curry kind, not the scalping ones), and the car was a Toyota made by chinamen, so really God killed three birds with one stone!

Now, many people will think this is all coincidence, but any reasonable person would see this as incontrovertible proof of God.

(1 Samuel 2:6-7) "The LORD killeth, and maketh alive: he bringeth down to the grave, and bringeth up. The LORD maketh poor, and maketh rich: he bringeth low, and lifteth up."

Yours in Christ,

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Default Re: How to PROVE GOD EXISTS simply by FLIPPING A COIN. - 08-13-2011, 12:21 PM

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The politically-engaged bishop was a quintessentially Eighties phenomenon. The star performer in those days was the then Bishop of Durham, one David Jenkins, a donnish, twinkling old buffer who combined left-wing politics with volubly-expressed doubts about the finer points of Christian doctrine. His finest moment probably came at the start of his tenure, when York Minster was struck by lightning the day after his consecration in the building..
What volubly-expressed doubts?


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[a good examole might be from] ..1984 while he was still professor of theology at Leeds, but already named as the next Bishop of Durham. He told Phillip Whitehead, a former Labour MP reduced to presenting religious television, that he doubted God would have arranged a Virgin Birth, or allowed Jesus to walk on the water. He also allowed that people who did not consider Jesus to be more than a divinely inspired human could consider themselves Christians.

..On July 6 1984, he was consecrated in York Minster. Two protesters shouting about blasphemy had to be thrown out in the course of the service. The remaining congregation of 2,000 shouted in his favour. Two nights later, the Minster, one of the most beautiful cathedrals in the world and a relic of a long-lost age of faith, was gutted by fire following a lightning strike.

..he consented to a recording in the library at Auckland Castle [his primary residence] of a discussion about his beliefs. 'To believe in a Christian way, you don't necessarily have to have a belief that Jesus was born from literally a virgin mother,
nor a precise belief that the risen Jesus had a literally physical body,' he said;

[so what does nor..a literally physical body mean?]

[The Bishop]: All I said was 'literally physical'. I was very careful in the use of language. After all, a conjuring trick with bones proves only that somebody's very clever at a conjuring trick with bones.'

Are the English really so envenomed? Are they papist enabling recidivists harking back to the days of Diana of the Ephesians? Will Johnny Rotten be their next prime minister? YOU DECIDE.








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Default Re: How to PROVE GOD EXISTS simply by FLIPPING A COIN. - 08-14-2011, 09:43 AM

I've just got back from papist Spain (more on that later) to find that the Satanists have been rioting in the streets in their fervour for damnation so nothing would surprise me about England at the moment.

Dark times.

On the subject of tempting God: there's a big difference in praying solemnly with all your heart and standing daring God to strike you with lightning.

You see, God knows what's in your lying atheist heart - He knows you really want there to be no lightning strike so you can damn yourself to Hell with your unbelief.

Psalm 44:21 Shall not God search this out? for he knoweth the secrets of the heart.

So there's no point lying to God that you want a miracle when you don't. If you're determined to spit in God's face, reject His clear message to you in the Bible and go to Hell God loves you enough to let you have your way without giving you the incontrovertible proof of His existence that would require you to have no faith in the first place. It's not like you wouldn't caim it was a coincidence anyway!

If Jesus' undeniably documented existence isn't enough proof for you then you're doomed anyway!

As the coin toss demonstrates: God is capable of understanding when your heart and what you think you want finally gel and of giving you a stern rebuke if you tempt him and don't pray right.



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