[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Proof the Sun Revolves Around the Earth

It certainly would be strange, one could say.

That said, if the idea of relative motion holds with objects moving on Earth, then the Earth could also, despite moving, keep the individuals on it stationary. As long as the Earth doesn't undergo a traumatic change in speed, there would be absolutely no problem for anything to remain attached, since everything on the Earth is travelling at the same speed as the Earth.

I don't think that this holds up to scrutiny. Nephew Zebulun has just returned from Australia. I asked him if he had been sick and dizzy because, for him, if the Earth moved, he would have been going the wrong way.

He replied that apart from an episode at a Barbie on Bondai Beach, where he suspects that either a shrimp was bad or one of the 15 cans of Fosters was past its best, he never felt a thing.

[FoundGirlJNB]

Re: Proof the Sun Revolves Around the Earth

It certainly would be strange, one could say.

That said, if the idea of relative motion holds with objects moving on Earth, then the Earth could also, despite moving, keep the individuals on it stationary. As long as the Earth doesn't undergo a traumatic change in speed, there would be absolutely no problem for anything to remain attached, since everything on the Earth is travelling at the same speed as the Earth.

OK Einstein. So you agree that all uniform motion is relative, right?? Then you also agree that there is no absolute state of rest (wiki)... So why are you arguing???

Why would the earth undergo a traumatic change in speed? Which atheist site did you get that from???

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Proof the Sun Revolves Around the Earth

It certainly would be strange, one could say.

That said, if the idea of relative motion holds with objects moving on Earth, then the Earth could also, despite moving, keep the individuals on it stationary. As long as the Earth doesn't undergo a traumatic change in speed, there would be absolutely no problem for anything to remain attached, since everything on the Earth is travelling at the same speed as the Earth.

So, by your own reasoning it would be impossible to tell the difference between an immobile earth and a rotating, orbiting earth, correct? This means geo verse helio centric solar system is a matter of personal interpretation. Two different conclusions reached from the same data.

All we are saying is teach the controversy.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: Proof the Sun Revolves Around the Earth

If the Earth was revolving around the sun (and also rotating at 800 mph), we would have no atmosphere. It would blow off into space. Also, we would have no gravity, because centrifugal force would blow us (and everything) out into space, along with the atmosphere.

Here's a science experiment that you can use to debunk earth's rotation: Take a beach ball and lightly tape a small object (a penny, toy figurine, etc.) so that it won't fall of the ball when stationary but is not so tightly taped to it either. Now throw the ball up in the air and make sure you spin it very fast. What will happen? The object gets thrown off the ball by centrifugual force.

This proves the earth does not rotate, and hence does not revolve around the sun.

[H. Montague Worthington]

Re: Proof the Sun Revolves Around the Earth

If the Earth was revolving around the sun (and also rotating at 800 mph), we would have no atmosphere. It would blow off into space. Also, we would have no gravity, because centrifugal force would blow us (and everything) out into space, along with the atmosphere.

Here's a science experiment that you can use to debunk earth's rotation: Take a beach ball and lightly tape a small object (a penny, toy figurine, etc.) so that it won't fall of the ball when stationary but is not so tightly taped to it either. Now throw the ball up in the air and make sure you spin it very fast. What will happen? The object gets thrown off the ball by centrifugual force.

This proves the earth does not rotate, and hence does not revolve around the sun.

Ha ha ha, Rev. Jim!!! You certainly told this ridiculous LIEberal "scientist" what's what!!!

I just returned from The Olive Garden after a very lively Bible study session this evening, and it was truly inspiring to see you make intellectual mincemeat out of this stupid, LIEberal Darwinist!!

What could be more obvious--- if God created the Earth and man in his own image, why would He make any other body in his Universe the center? It defies simple logic that any four year old is capable of. So obviously, the Earth is about 6000 years old and the center of the Universe.

Heh heh heh--- I love it! These LIEberals keep getting stupider and stupider and more ridiculous every day. Watching you debunk their lies is just like watching Glenn Beck or Sarah Palin make the LIEberals look like total idiots!!!

Kudos and PRAISE!!!

[F. Nietzsche]

Re: Proof the Sun Revolves Around the Earth

If the Earth was revolving around the sun (and also rotating at 800 mph), we would have no atmosphere. It would blow off into space. Also, we would have no gravity, because centrifugal force would blow us (and everything) out into space, along with the atmosphere.

Here's a science experiment that you can use to debunk earth's rotation: Take a beach ball and lightly tape a small object (a penny, toy figurine, etc.) so that it won't fall of the ball when stationary but is not so tightly taped to it either. Now throw the ball up in the air and make sure you spin it very fast. What will happen? The object gets thrown off the ball by centrifugual force.

This proves the earth does not rotate, and hence does not revolve around the sun.

Actually, you're overestimating the effect of centrifugal force, though you are correct in asserting the fact it exists on a rotating body.

Taking the radius of the Earth to be 6.37 million meters and the general formula of 2π*radius, the circumfrence of the Earth is 40,023,856 meters.

By definition, an object on the surface of the Earth would cover all 40,023,856 meters in 24 hours, since that's one period of rotation.

Tangential Velocity can in turn be calculated using the formula 40,023,856/(24*3600). This is equal to 463.26 m/s.

Now, centrifugal force is calculated as M*Vt^2/R, where M is the mass of an object, Vt is tangential velocity, and R is the radius of the rotating object. For sake of simplicity, let's assume a hypothetical object of 50kg sitting on the Earth's surface. Thus (50*463.26^2/6,370,000) or, 1.68 newtons.

At the same time, the force of gravity on a 50kg object on Earth is 9.8m/s*50 or, in more practical terms, 490 newtons.

Therefore, Centrifugal force reduces the pull of gravity by about 0.34%...

Despite the relatively small size of centrifugal force, it actually does cause bulging in the Equator and changes the shape of the Earth, as would be consistent with a rotating body. It's also almost impossible to explain the coriolis effect without taking the Earth to be a rotating body.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Proof the Sun Revolves Around the Earth

Blah blah blah. That's not what the Bible says.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Proof the Sun Revolves Around the Earth

Actually, you're overestimating the effect of centrifugal force, though you are correct in asserting the fact it exists on a rotating body
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The issue isn't "does the earth rotate" it is does the "earth orbit the sun". None of what you discussed proved that the earth orbits the sun.

[WWJDnow]

Re: Proof the Sun Revolves Around the Earth

This is such a fascinating place. There is no end of scientific evidence here that even modern humans evolve at different rates.

It's true, non-Christians are a lesser race. But that's not evolution, friend, it's predestination.

those with recessive genes

Try searching Wikipedia for "recessive gene." It's not what you think it is.

A coin being kept in your car has the same direction of movement as the rest of your car.

If God had wanted it to have a different direction of motion but still stay in the car, then that's the way it would have been.

All objects in the universe move, so motion can only be defined in terms of comparison with other objects.

If all motion is defined only in terms of comparison with other objects, then how do you know there isn't one object that doesn't really move at all?

Taking the radius of the Earth to be 6.37 million meters

You can stop right there. We don't buy into that metric system BS here, we know it was just invented by the athiest French to make math so complicated that nobody could spot the fallacies in their specious arguments. Please restate your argument in cubits. If you can.

[MariaVanRooijen]

Re: Proof the Sun Revolves Around the Earth

Imagine you are standing on a merry-go round, you would get dizzy from all the spinning. If you were on the merry-go-round from birth though, you would be use to the spinning and wouldn't notice it. But then the merry-go round starts spinning in the other direction, you would get twice as dizzy and disoriented!

Now, since you've been on Earth your whole life you don't notice the alleged spinning. But if you went to the other hemisphere, you'd be spinning in the opposite direction than you have your whole life, so you would get dizzy, nauseous, even unable to stand. Since this doesn't happen the world must not spin, so the Sun must revolve around the Earth!

The earth does spin. The reason we don't notice it is because the earth is so large in relation to the spinning.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: Proof the Sun Revolves Around the Earth

The earth does spin. The reason we don't notice it is because the earth is so large in relation to the spinning.

The size of the earth does not matter. The fact is secular scientists claim the earth rotates at 800 mph! That is more than the speed of sound. Do you really think you couldn't feel movement at 800 mph? Also, where are the constant sonic booms if the Earth is really moving that fast?

[Meek and Humble]

Re: Proof the Sun Revolves Around the Earth

Don't bother reasoning with these atheists, they are all willfully ignorant.

[Wash O'Hanley]

Re: Proof the Sun Revolves Around the Earth

I don't like the wording "revolves around the Earth" for that just conjures up the idea that other parts of the Earth like Europe and Africa are as important as the United States of America, a country which Sean Hannity once called "the greatest, best nation God has ever given man on the face of the earth." No friends, I not only believe that the sun and all else within this solar system and all solar systems, as well as the other parts of this very globe revolve around America, and it is treason to believe anything else.

[SOCIALISM!]

Re: Proof the Sun Revolves Around the Earth

The size of the earth does not matter. The fact is secular scientists claim the earth rotates at 800 mph! That is more than the speed of sound. Do you really think you couldn't feel movement at 800 mph? Also, where are the constant sonic booms if the Earth is really moving that fast?

You need a medium for the sound to be created in...

When you speak in the atmosphere, your vocal cords vibrate, causing air molecules to move.

As the Earth is moving through space, there is nothing it can cause to vibrate. There's no sound in space, and therefore, no sonic booms.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Proof the Sun Revolves Around the Earth

I don't like the wording "revolves around the Earth" for that just conjures up the idea that other parts of the Earth like Europe and Africa are as important as the United States of America, a country which Sean Hannity once called "the greatest, best nation God has ever given man on the face of the earth." No friends, I not only believe that the sun and all else within this solar system and all solar systems, as well as the other parts of this very globe revolve around America, and it is treason to believe anything else.

hmm, this makes sense. Probably best to view the earth like a record disk with America in the middle and everything rotating around us. No wonder the Europeans try to push this heliocentric nonsense, the TRUTH is just to painful for them and they prefer a fantasy.

blah, blah, blag I made up some facts so I can hate God

yawn. You say something?