[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Evolution Is A Fact

The real world is something that needs to be incorporated into religion.

God made "the real world"; it is the very essence of Christianity

Christianity isn't immutable, or at least, it shouldn't be.

God's Word is timeless. Without time, nothing can change, therefore God's Word does not change.

There is quite a bit we can all learn by opening our eyes and seeing past the simple barrier between what the most devout regard as pure and what the every day man regards as normal.

...and this is the trouble, is it not? Imperfect eyes look upon a world of sin and accept it as normal, much in the way that a caged rabbit sees its free cousins as "abnormal".

Perfect eyes see God's Glory and wish only to praise Him.

[Caleb Fairchild III]

Re: Evolution Is A Fact

The real world is something that needs to be incorporated into religion. Christianity isn't immutable, or at least, it shouldn't be. There is quite a bit we can all learn by opening our eyes and seeing past the simple barrier between what the most devout regard as pure and what the every day man regards as normal.

Go spread your Satanic religion of Evolution somewhere else, heathen! I look forward to the day that I get to see you in eternal suffering from the holy confines of Heaven.

God Bless

[drunk cannuck]

Re: Evolution Is A Fact

asking someone to back up evolution in the bible is like telling someone to back up Jesus existence in a science fiction novel. The Bible should not be considered a form of evidence a forum exists for debate that is why it is called a FORUM. America is the one country GOD hates because of the stubbornness of its people who are blinded by its lies. people will only take this forum seriously when people allow debate and stop quoting the bible.

[Talitha]

Re: Evolution Is A Fact

asking someone to back up evolution in the bible is like telling someone to back up Jesus existence in a science fiction novel. The Bible should not be considered a form of evidence a forum exists for debate that is why it is called a FORUM. America is the one country GOD hates because of the stubbornness of its people who are blinded by its lies. people will only take this forum seriously when people allow debate and stop quoting the bible.

This is not a debate Forum.
Please read our Pastor Announcements.

This is our Forum. If you don't like OUR rules then please go and spew your hatred elsewhere.

God Bless
Talitha

[Hank]

Re: Evolution Is A Fact

unsaved nonsense

hey buddy are you hear to learn about Jesus or just to spit on our most cherished beleifs?

[Caleb Fairchild III]

Re: Evolution Is A Fact

If evilution is real and people came from monkeys, then how come humans aren't born monkeys?

Checkmate Evilutionists!

Evilutionists just dogmatically accept anything a scientist will tell them. I don't need to know exactly how the eye was formed or why we are so genetically similar to apes, I know God did it.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Evolution Is A Fact

asking someone to back up evolution in the bible is like telling someone to back up Jesus existence in a science fiction novel. The Bible should not be considered a form of evidence a forum exists for debate that is why it is called a FORUM. America is the one country GOD hates because of the stubbornness of its people who are blinded by its lies. people will only take this forum seriously when people allow debate and stop quoting the bible.

Friend,
We are not goint to allow atheists like you to use this forum to make a mockery of Christianity. We TRUE Christians™ know every trick in the book of the human scum called atheists. We are wise to all of your tricks. So go back and tell your dark master Richard Dawkins (when he is not eating babies) and tell him he fails, again!

[WWJDnow]

Re: Evolution Is A Fact

A theory in science is the highest description of a fact or natural occurrence.

Are you saying that it is impossible for a "scientific theory" to be wrong?

Gravity happens, the Theory of Gravity explains how and why it happens.

OK, I'll bite. How, according to the so-called Theory of Gravity, does gravity happen?

So now I ask you, is gravity "just a theory?"

Gravity doesn't exist.

A stone will fall, thats a fact. Unless God Wills it not to fall then it won't. Thats also a fact.

Yes! This is the true explanation for why things fall. It is in the nature of EVERYTHING to fall, unless Jesus choses to stop it from falling:

God... Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high... Hebrews 1:1-3

[F. Nietzsche]

Re: Evolution Is A Fact

Are you saying that it is impossible for a "scientific theory" to be wrong?

OK, I'll bite. How, according to the so-called Theory of Gravity, does gravity happen?

Gravity doesn't exist.

Well, the entire basis of the theory of Gravity is the pull of an object on the fabric of spacetime creating a depression in the surface and pulling other objects into it. This is consistent with a number of experiments performed involving the bending of light which have confirmed Einstein's predictions and models of gravitation.

If gravity didn't exist, then relativistic effects of distant starlight passing by the gravitational pull of the sun would also not exist.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Evolution Is A Fact

Well, the entire basis of the theory of Gravity is the pull of an object on the fabric of spacetime creating a depression in the surface and pulling other objects into it. This is consistent with a number of experiments performed involving the bending of light which have confirmed Einstein's predictions and models of gravitation.

I don't know what you said there but it sounds as if you're using a lot of words to slide by facts past us, thinking we wouldn't notice.

I think the question we are all dying to hear answered is, "How exactly does gravity work?" and NOT "masses attract each other", we want to know why they do! What is the essence of this fictitious power you claim for the joo-boy Eisenstein?

If gravity didn't exist, then relativistic effects of distant starlight passing by the gravitational pull of the sun would also not exist.

Stars are set in the firmament. They are there to light the night. God says that. It is not necessary to faith to know how that happens. Such knowledge might lead the weak and foolish to conclusions contrary to the Teachings of Christ.

1 Timothy 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
1 Timothy 6:21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.

[Hank]

Re: Evolution Is A Fact

If gravity didn't exist, then relativistic effects of distant starlight passing by the gravitational pull of the sun would also not exist.

Please support your crazy claims with Scripture.

[F. Nietzsche]

Re: Evolution Is A Fact

I don't know what you said there but it sounds as if you're using a lot of words to slide by facts past us, thinking we wouldn't notice.

I think the question we are all dying to hear answered is, "How exactly does gravity work?" and NOT "masses attract each other", we want to know why they do! What is the essence of this authentic power you claim for the joo-boy Eisenstein?

A bit like one of those coin vortex devices, where there is a central hole and a downward sloping conical gradient leading towards it. As a coin is rolled along the gradient, it loses speed and is gradually pulled closer into the hole, until it falls in.

Mass causes the geometry of space-time to curve to varying degrees. Mass can actually be defined in terms of how much it actually causes this to happen. While the computer on your desk doesn't necessarily have much of this effect, given the low mass relative to say, a planet, or star and the exceptionally small value of the gravitational constant, for a large object, this effect is pronounced.

Gravity causes objects to orbit by first, capturing the objects in the general area, and pulling it towards the mass. However, celestial objects move quickly enough relative to the center that as they fall, they move away from the object. thus creating a ellptical path as both forces concurrently work on an orbiting object. It's a bit like one of the coin vortexes without friction spun at speeds of 35,000 km/h, so quickly that any movement towards the center is directionally shifted towards an ellptical.

What causes space time to bend, on the other hand, is not perfectly understood. Some would suggest a particle called the gravitron is responsible, others, mostly those in theoretical physics, describe it as being an effect of strings. Neither are fully supported, through a string theory-based model would account for it.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: Evolution Is A Fact

What causes space time to bend, on the other hand, is not perfectly understood. Some would suggest a particle called the gravitron is responsible, others, mostly those in theoretical physics, describe it as being an effect of strings. Neither are fully supported, through a string theory-based model would account for it.

So the explanation for why gravity works is postulated to being the result of either gravitrons or strings. But, this does not satisfy the answer, for another question then pops up: How do gravitrons or strings create gravity and why? It just replaces one question with another.

Eventually scientists will run out of explanations where they discover something that cannot be explained at all. This is when they will finally acknowledge the existence of God.

[FortyTwo]

Re: Evolution Is A Fact

Hi Jason,

You're arguing with idiots. Sadly they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. Understand that there is a possibility god could exist; however it's extremely unlikely.

But, just to list some comments before leaving myself...and giving some arguments for the Christians to jump to their supernatural guides...

These people have been indoctrinated into Christianity from a young age; born into a family that believed these laws, incorporated superstitious practices into their life, and after 20-30 years; any alternative path is next to impossible for them to accept. However take comfort in your own realisation, as well as the growing global disbelief in all supernatural lifestyles.

Finally, the only agreement I've made with any person of belief is the ridiculous nature of all alternative religions to their own.

Those people within this forum will agree that these religions are ridiculous, stupid, evil, "encompass their own religion", etc....
Islam
Hindu
Scientology
Kabbalah,
Wicca,
Buddhism,
Satanism,
and so on..by the way this isn't inclusive of ancient religions,

The more "hard line" will believe that they'll be going to Hell for not believing in their religion. That's a lot of people suffering for doing nothing wrong but beliving in an alternative god or none at all. If that's true, I wonder..."God, may I be un-created?"

Unfortunately religion has clawed itself into a position of power within society. Self interest will prevent them from releasing this grip and will undoubtedly be around for the foreseeable future. It will take something extremely profound to create any form of widespread change in societies supernatural beliefs (Contact with Extra Terrestrial Life, Time Travel, Anything Extreme)

However take comfort in declining attendance and belief in supernatural activities.

Just remember; look past the ridiculous nature of their beliefs and get to know the person behind the book. Alienating people on the basis of religion will end up sacrificing the opportunity to get to know a pretty decent person.

-Forty Two

[lrbailey]

Re: Evolution Is A Fact

FortyTwo hit the nail on the head. Being brought up with the "truth" has seriously hindered their ability to accept anything that isn't in the KJV bible. Now they do accept something if they can pull scripture apart and appliy it to a theory that is proven almost to certainty, like gravity. I don't agree that they are idiots, just stuck in their ways. As for the evolution bit, it will never be fact, there will always be people who don't except it. They will want the first organism all the way to us, and everything in between, as proof.