[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Second Law of Thermodynamics Disproves Evilution

Science brought you electricity. It brought you lighting, air temperature control, ships that can cross the Atlantic ocean in less than 6 months, running water, airplanes, or most significantly, the computer and the internet. Imagine a million million electrons running in silicon chips through tiny wires, an array of alternating ones and zeros all interpreted by you computer screen as indistinct shades of red blue or green which is interpreted by you eyes as a picture. Now imagine thousands of these such things interconnected in a vast web of communication providing a person with a computer and internet access to view millions of files supported by servers around the world called web sites. One such file is the site you are looking at right now. You have science to thank for that. If you wish for science to go away, please dispose of you computer, walk out of you house and find an Indian colony that will accept you, because that is where humanity would be without science. Christianity has science to thank for its rise in popularity. Rome, the chief producer of science, used this to conquer a vast empire. When Emperor Constantine converted, he spread Christianity all throughout the empire. Without this, its doubtful Christianity would have spread farther than the middle east.

Wrong again, demon. GOD gave us electricity and all those things. God did that, not secular scientists.

[Asshat Turdhead]

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The who is Nikola Tesla, history says that he worked with electrical generation and brought you the radio and the x-ray machine. Who was Thomas Edison, history says that he mastered DC currents and he brought you a practical light bulb. What about Micheal Faraday and the company, Westinghouse electric whose work paid of in the fact that we can now transmit AC current long distances and light bulbs can be adapted to it. All of these people were scientists and thanks to them, we can have this discussion.

[Asshat Turdhead]

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In responding to Mary's second post, i did. I used to be much more religious, i used to go to church every Sunday, i used to confess things. But then, I started to gain an intrest in science. I was interested in radioactive decay, biology, and now, i am an expert in astronomy. In my studies, i noticed many contradictions to the bible. Radioactive decay definitively proves that the Earth is far older than 6000 years. As I looked further, i realized that things like evolution and the big bang theory have piles of ever growing evidence while Christianity has a 1600 year old book that is often vague and was altered many times since it was written. I also figured out that there are other religions, some far older than Christianity that have just as much evidence as Christianity. Even if i were to become religious again, i could not definitively decide which religion to join knowing that I would be picking at random.

[Redeemed Papist]

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Oil coal and natural gas get their energy from the Sun.

Nonsense! They're underground. When was the last time you saw the sun shining underground? You atheists have no sense at all!

[Asshat Turdhead]

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They are underground, but they used to be above ground. Long ago, a massive forest covered that area. This forest might have been about the size of the Amazon Jungle, but something happened. Through some process (I could name several examples, one such is the growth of the Himalayas blocking rain clouds) the forest died, dead wood and leaves littered the ground. And slowly, the soil started to bury all that stuff (objects tend to sink into the ground overtime). As this organic mass got deeper, the weight of the soil on top of it compressed it into things like coal or oil. Much like diamonds are formed from compressed carbon, just at much higher pressures.

[Mary Etheldreda]

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In responding to Mary's second post, i did. I used to be much more religious, i used to go to church every Sunday, i used to confess things. But then, I started to gain an intrest in science....

I see. When you gained this interest in science, you lost faith in Jesus.

And people wonder how we know Satan is behind these false sciences.

Friend, the real Truth© is found in the Holy Bible.

• Both man and woman possess the seed of life (Genesis 3:15) discovered by man in 17th century
• Earth is held in place by invisible forces (Job 26:7) discovered by man in 1650
• Blood is necessary for life (Leviticus 17:11) discovered by man in 19th century
• Oceans have natural paths in them (Psalms 8:8) discovered by man in1854
• Light is a particle and has mass (a photon) (Job 38:19) discovered by man in 1932
• Stars give off signals (Job 38:7) discovered by man in 1945
• Oceans contain fresh water springs (Job 38:16) discovered by man in 1920
• Dust is important to survival (Isaiah 40:12) discovered by man in 1935

I hope you don't continue to confuse discovering the Truth© as revealed first in the Holy Bible with man-made beliefs like a billion year old earth. Your very soul is at stake here.

[Didymus Much]

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...I used to be much more religious, i used to go to church every Sunday...

That doesn't make you Christian.

Matthew 6:5 "And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward."

...i used to confess things...

Oh, there it is! You were a Catholic! Here all this time we thought you said you'd been a Christian (there's a huge difference).

As you're here now, why not shut up about your "science" stuff and learn about what being a True Christian™ means?

[Asshat Turdhead]

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You have yet to prove that the bible contains the real truth. Like i said, i will not become christian unless someone can prove that the bible has any more credibility than the Vedas or Koran. The book Beowulf was written at around the same time, it has as much credibility as the bible. And as to your points.

1. This is an obvious statement. The quote you cited is vague and could mean just simply that man and women have different seeds, anyone from the 15th century BC could tell you that.

2. That does not mention invisible forces, it mentions forces that do not exist "upon nothing", gravity exists.

3. You don't think people for as long as they existed noticed that the person with a very large wound and were bleeding tended to die very soon. I think people quickly understood the connection.

4. Once again, vague. It could mean that the animals are the paths

5. The quote states that there is a difference between light and dark. Even if it did say that, it would be wrong, photons are particles but they have no mass.

6. This appears to be personification about at happy event. Considering the signals stars give off is light and not sound, this statement would be incorrect if it was literal.

7. Fresh water springs were discovered by the Phoenicians, a mighty empire much older (at least 1000 years older) than the bible.

8. The dust quote says nothing about our survival. It seems to say that counting all the dust in the world would be a very hard task, which it is.

The Vedas, the religious text for Hinduism describes the Pythagorean theorem in the Baudhayana chapter. "A rope stretched along the length of the diagonal produces an area which the vertical and horizontal sides make together." This proves that the people who wrote this book knew about perhaps the most essential geometric equation before the Greeks discovered it 300 years later. this is the first instance of it ever being stated.

[Lord of Kelvin]

Re: Second Law of Thermodynamics Disproves Evilution

One of the most basic scientific principles is the Second Law of Thermodynamics. This states that, over time, entropy (disorder) in an environment will increase.

Evilution, on the other hand, argues that we start off simple and, gradually over time, grew more complex. By the Second Law of Thermodynamics, that just isn't possible, since we would be trending toward disorder rather than complexity.

Such a phenomenon (which I might add, is entirely theoretical) would require a large external power source, supplying the earth with huge amounts of energy. If there was such an energy source, one would expect that secular "scientists" would know about it.

Without accounting for an external source of energy, the evilutionist conspiracy falls apart at the seams. Not only does the Bible provide evidence against Darwinist evilution, even secular science confirms that the Bible is true and evilution is false.

First of all, you misspelled Evolution, the ability to put new words into the middle of existing ones to somehow change their meaning does not enhance your argument, rather is weakens it considerably as you look childish. The inability to debate a theory without having to resort to petty and unimportant attacks weakens your argument greatly, but for now, I'll look past it, because I'm just that nice.

As for your use of the Second Law of Thermodynamics in the theory of evolution; it's not really valid. The laws of thermodynamics refer specifically to simply, isolated systems, systems of few variables. The comparison of the entire ecosystem of the planet Earth to such a system is a gross over-simplification. However, for now let us assume that it holds for this system.

Over time, in any given system, entropy must increase, at best it can stand still, but it can never go backwards. However, what you have misunderstood in this law is the scientific definition of 'disorder'. Disorder means Complexity. If you think about it, if something is very complex, there are a lot of variables present, a lot of things going on. This is generally referred to as a disordered state, because not everything is the same.

Now, you move onto a source of energy for all of this, well, I hate to break it to you, but we do have such an energy source. The Sun; our Sun, our Star, Sol, Helos, whatever you want to call it. This giant ball of hydrogen and helium creates vast amounts of energy through nuclear fusion. This process has provided energy to the planet ever since the creation of the solar system, 4.5 billion years ago. It provides the light for photosynthesis, creating plants for animals to eventually feed on. Creating the weather, seasons and the warmth we require to survive.

All the pieces are there, we have the evidence, we have the research. What's more, we have thousands upon thousands of texts, all by different authors conducting their own, independent research. And they all agree with each other. Evolution is scientifically understood fact. Period.

[Asshat Turdhead]

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I want to mate with kelvin. Evolution is not going away. The evidence for it is only growing. Radioactive decay strongly supports the Earth being over 6000 years old. Our huge collection of many fossils strongly supports evolution.

[Mary Etheldreda]

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First of all, you misspelled Evolution, the ability to put new words into the middle of existing ones to somehow change their meaning does not enhance your argument, rather is weakens it considerably as you look childish. The inability to debate a theory without having to resort to petty and unimportant attacks weakens your argument greatly, but for now, I'll look past it, because I'm just that nice.

As for your use of the Second Law of Thermodynamics in the theory of evolution; it's not really valid. The laws of thermodynamics refer specifically to simply, isolated systems, systems of few variables. The comparison of the entire ecosystem of the planet Earth to such a system is a gross over-simplification. However, for now let us assume that it holds for this system.

Over time, in any given system, entropy must increase, at best it can stand still, but it can never go backwards. However, what you have misunderstood in this law is the scientific definition of 'disorder'. Disorder means Complexity. If you think about it, if something is very complex, there are a lot of variables present, a lot of things going on. This is generally referred to as a disordered state, because not everything is the same.

Now, you move onto a source of energy for all of this, well, I hate to break it to you, but we do have such an energy source. The Sun; our Sun, our Star, Sol, Helos, whatever you want to call it. This giant ball of hydrogen and helium creates vast amounts of energy through nuclear fusion. This process has provided energy to the planet ever since the creation of the solar system, 4.5 billion years ago. It provides the light for photosynthesis, creating plants for animals to eventually feed on. Creating the weather, seasons and the warmth we require to survive.

All the pieces are there, we have the evidence, we have the research. What's more, we have thousands upon thousands of texts, all by different authors conducting their own, independent research. And they all agree with each other. Evolution is scientifically understood fact. Period.

Son, this cannot possibly be true. In the meantime, you are most welcome to introduce yourself HERE so we can greet you properly! You can read all kinds of helpful information ON THIS THREAD for newcomers like yourself. If you’d like to share your opinion, kindly provide the Scriptural Support where we can see how wonderfully God said it first. Finally, your rights on our forum can be found HERE.

[Lord of Kelvin]

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Son, this cannot possibly be true. In the meantime, you are most welcome to introduce yourself HERE so we can greet you properly! You can read all kinds of helpful information ON THIS THREAD for newcomers like yourself. If you’d like to share your opinion, kindly provide the Scriptural Support where we can see how wonderfully God said it first. Finally, your rights on our forum can be found HERE.

Mary, I thank you for that typically American Christian welcome to these forums. I would like you to know that I intent to cite no scripture as references to any kind of scientific post. My posts are my knowledge, should I need to reference and cite external scientific sources and journals, I will do so. I am a man of science, not a man of God. I am an atheist, a scientist and a skeptically minded free-thinker. I would also like to thank you for pointing out how many rights I am granted on this site, again, how typically Christian and American of you.

I look forward to helping you people realise that whilst it is okay to have a religion, to begin to question the scientific reasoning that has advanced us so far as a species, and indeed now allows you to communicate via this forum, is the most offensive thing you can do as humans.

Thanks again for making me feel at home here.

[uncool dude]

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And where does the sun's energy come from?

God Almighty, that's where!

Nuclear fusion

[Titus Templeton]

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Nuclear fusion

If there was a nuclear power plant inside the sun, then yes.
But that isn't possible. The sun was created by God and since then was shining everyday the same.

[uncool dude]

Re: Second Law of Thermodynamics Disproves Evilution

If there was a nuclear power plant inside the sun, then yes.
But that isn't possible. The sun was created by God and since then was shining everyday the same.

Nuclear fusion
Nuclear fusion involves two atomic nuclei joining to make a large nucleus. Energy is released when this happens.
The Sun and other stars use nuclear fusion to release energy. The sequence of nuclear fusion reactions in a star is complex - but, in general, hydrogen nuclei join to form helium nuclei. Here is one nuclear fusion reaction that takes place

That's how the fusion works.