[Mistress Cookie]

Re: What is it like to be an atheist?

...Christianity has destroyed their lives...

Now hold on just one minute there, little man.

No one here's insulted you, and you should be careful not to recklessly insult the True Christians™ here.

That sort of thing may go over well at your weekly atheist bachanals, but here we limit our behavior to that which pleaseth the Lord™.

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Romans 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: What is it like to be an atheist?

Perhaps there's a very good reason why I'm not a slave.

Yes! Everything is for a reason! I wonder if atheists believe everything is random? Like, this morning I woke up in my own home, cooked breakfast for my many children, got them started on their homeschooling work (they're copying out of the book of Exodus this month for their lessons), and started on my many household chores. If I were to convert to atheism, would I be surprised that I woke up in my own house this morning?

[JustAnotherFatGuy]

Re: What is it like to be an atheist?

[QUOTE=Mary Etheldreda;874174]Thank you Fat Guy, for taking the time to answer my question. I appreciate it. I have a few follow-up questions if you don't mind.

You're saying a true atheist would have studied thoroughly and found it impossible to disprove the existence of God?

Sort of that. A true Atheist is someone who could not prove or dissprove God. And at the same time they could not agree with religion. They therefore choose to follow a different set of morals, laws, rules etc. The main point is that they are educated and have strong will in their belief.

If they have not denied God, but have not accepted Jesus as their LORD and Master, is there any functional difference? They'll go straight to hell the moment after they take their last breath anyway, for the punishment of having been born human and therefore depraved and full of horrendous sin. I mean, what's the difference if they don't actively try to disprove God's existence but don't accept God's Grace either?

Yes there is a difference. However this is in my opinion and others may differ. If they deny God there is no way of turning back, you cannot later change your mind. If however they have not committed their life to God but at some stage decide to do so then there is still salvation for them.

Its difficult to answer your question directly, as what you are saying that they are sort of in limbo, neither here or there. But its agreed that if they do not divine to God before death then they are sure to server the punishment.

Very interesting quotes. They make me sad because they miss the point of the sacrificial gift of Jesus' crucifixion. Surely in their research they came across the historical event of Christ's death and resurrection. How can anyone walk away from that?

No doubt that they have come across the crucifixion of Jesus Christ, however in other religions and believes Jesus is either not mentioned or is not recognized as the Son of God. Giving a basis to not believe as after all there can only be one and only one God.

You make it sound like there's no reason not to be an atheist.

Atheism is something you would embrace if nothing else has satisfied you, and it is by all means a statement! You will be amazed as to how many people in the UK are Catholic, however they have not read the Bible, go to Church and so on, they are just Catholic because they were taught to be so.

The chemical castration of which you speak was done by catholics and they are not Christian. No True Christian™ behaves in a depraved way. (Matthew 7:16)

No human being, be he a believer or Atheist should do such things.

You say you are not an atheist, but then deny the Holy Word of God as having been divinely inspired and infallible in every way! It certainly explains why you provided so many quotes that make Christianity sound ignorant and foolish.

Remmeber i did not say that I am Christian or a True Christian and so on, Just saying that I do have a belief, but I would much rather it remain with me. I have nothing against Good Christians or the Religion itself. Although I do sometimes disagree with the Church as sometimes I think their actions are almost cult like. A True Christian like yourself should be able to decide for herself and not let someone else make a decision for you, especially if you disagree with it. After all there is a reason as to why we can make choices. Lastly I was just trying to bring you some ways the Atheists justify themselves.

How? How can someone who denies the Holy Spirit know Truth? "I am the way and the truth," Jesus said (John 14:6) One who denies Jesus denies truth, they have nothing left to believe but random information, never knowing if it is a truth or a lie.

What you quote is understandable to you and me. However this comes back to the 1st point that to a well studied person or even a Philosopher it can be questioned: from above "in other religions and believes Jesus is either not mentioned or is not recognized as the Son of God"

I was raised in a catholic family, taught cannibalism and to worship Mary and still I found my LORD and Master. God makes Himself known (Psalm 9:16) and yet even you have missed His message. You may say you're not an atheist, but you are no different than one. You believe the same things they believe, you deny the same things they deny. Why bother calling yourself Christian at all?

While people are biologically similar they are "wired" differently, so some have a stronger faith or will than others.

As i said above i am not an Atheist and I do Believe in God and Jesus, however to say my religion here would only cause problems. To say the least Psalm 9:16 translates differently and does not have such meaning.

Thanks, i am off to bed.

Peace be with you!

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: What is it like to be an atheist?

Sort of that. A true Atheist is someone who could not prove or dissprove God. And at the same time they could not agree with religion. They therefore choose to follow a different set of morals, laws, rules etc. The main point is that they are educated and have strong will in their belief.

OK, so you're not educated and lack strong will. Got it.

Yes there is a difference. However this is in my opinion and others may differ. If they deny God there is no way of turning back, you cannot later change your mind. If however they have not committed their life to God but at some stage decide to do so then there is still salvation for them.

If you're not Christian, upon what do you even base the concept of "salvation"?

And if I deny that the sky is blue, and am later proved wrong, why can't I change my mind based on new information? Where do you get the idea that thinking God doesn't exist today prevents me realizing He does tomorrow?

Jeffrey Dahmer was an atheist. He met Jesus while in jail, and will spend eternity on the right hand of God.

Atheism is something you would embrace if nothing else has satisfied you, and it is by all means a statement! You will be amazed as to how many people in the UK are Catholic, however they have not read the Bible, go to Church and so on, they are just Catholic because they were taught to be so.

I would, particularly given that the official church is CoE. Are you Irish by any chance?

Remmeber i did not say that I am Christian or a True Christian and so on, Just saying that I do have a belief, but I would much rather it remain with me.

OH! You're a Satanist. Why didn't you say so?

Enjoy Hell.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: What is it like to be an atheist?

Yes! Everything is for a reason! I wonder if atheists believe everything is random? Like, this morning I woke up in my own home, cooked breakfast for my many children, got them started on their homeschooling work (they're copying out of the book of Exodus this month for their lessons), and started on my many household chores. If I were to convert to atheism, would I be surprised that I woke up in my own house this morning?

Yes. Do they do the whole "I might be imagining everything and the world is not even real therefore I can do what I want because nothing is real" thing? I mean, why not? If you don't believe in anything you can do what you like!

I am even more afraid of their potential dominance now!

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: What is it like to be an atheist?

As i said above i am not an Atheist and I do Believe in God and Jesus, however to say my religion here would only cause problems. To say the least Psalm 9:16 translates differently and does not have such meaning.

What, Greek Orthadox?

["Non-Believer"]

Re: What is it like to be an atheist?

As an atheist myself, I can tell you from an experienced, first person perspective just what its like to be atheist. Its not all primal instinct as you seem to believe, it is instead exactly the same as the way you think (minus the belief in god). I am a student studying biology, chemistry, physics, mathematics and further pure mathematics with the intention to continue my studies to a degree in 'biochemistry in genetics' at University (College, I'm English), far from primitive in my opinion.
I understand the need Christians feel for converting atheists and those of other religious persuasions to Christianity and for trying to save my soul I am truly thankful, however, as I do not believe in God or gods, the devil, heaven, hell or the afterlife then to me it makes no difference. My "faith" lies with science, and despite what some may say, it is not as blind as the faith of any fundamentalist, Christian or otherwise. Science adjusts its views depending on observations, Religion is the denial of observation so that faith may be preserved.
In reply to Mr Worthington and his "average day of an atheist" I pledge this question. "You do know not all, nor the majority of atheists are gay?" I ask you to think about it for one second, do you not think that if all atheists were gay then there'd be a significant decline in the population seeing as two men may not biologically conceive a child?
I have not come here to simply tell you that your beliefs are wrong, for all anyone knows, they may be right, and that is the beauty of science, we accept religion as highly improbable rather than wrong. Believe what you wish to believe. If believing in god makes you feel warm and fuzzy inside, makes you comfortable with your life and gives you the will to carry on then be my guest, by all means, believe, but please, I ask one thing of you and one thing only; Do not judge people for being of a different racial background, for being of a different religious persuasion, for wearing particular items of clothing, for having a different sexuality or for being different to yourselves in any other way. What you do is your choice, what we do is ours.
Peace x

[ChristianW.Chandler]

Re: What is it like to be an atheist?

Atheists have very pimply faces (pizza faces).

[handmaiden]

Re: What is it like to be an atheist?

As an atheist myself, I can tell you from an experienced, first person perspective just what its like to be atheist. . If believing in god makes you feel warm and fuzzy inside, makes you comfortable with your life and gives you the will to carry on then be my guest, by all means, believe, but please, I ask one thing of you and one thing only; Do not judge people for being of a different racial background, for being of a different religious persuasion, for wearing particular items of clothing, for having a different sexuality or for being different to yourselves in any other way. What you do is your choice, what we do is ours.
Peace x

What you are asking us to do are the very things which God in the Bible commands us to do.



There are verses in the Bible that forbid God's people from marrying people of other races.

There are verses in the Bible that command God's people to kill people who practice other religions-- and not just the grown ups who understand their religion, but the babies, too.

There are verses in the Bible that forbid women from wearing men's clothing.


And finally, there are verses upon verses in which God defines a narrow standard of sexual expression that is right in His eyes. Anything that does not fall under that strict standard is decried, forbidden, punished and purged.

We are here to show people what the Bible has to say, not to appease you and your personal sentiments.

And we find little in the Bible that makes us feel "warm and fuzzy". In fact, we recoil more at the nonsense posted by what we term, "fluffy bunny Christians", than we do over the honest position taken by many atheists.

At least an atheist might come to a realization of what is really written in the Bible.

Judgmentally Yours,

Handmaiden

[James Hutchins]

Re: What is it like to be an atheist?

As an atheist myself, I can tell you....... it is instead exactly the same as the way you think ........far from primitive in my opinion.
I understand the need Christians feel for converting atheists ......as I do not believe in God or gods, the devil, heaven, hell or the afterlife then ......... My "faith" lies ..........Believe what you wish to believe. If believing in god makes you feel warm and fuzzy inside, makes you comfortable with your life and gives you the will to carry on then be my guest, by all means, believe, but please, I ask one thing of you ...................

A awful lot of jabbering, very little substance.
Friend, I personally could care less about you God Haters. As far as my own desires, each and every one of you can go take a running jump into the lake of fire. However, in Gods benevolent manner, He asks each of us to do our best to reach out to people like you, no matter how distasteful or vile, and do our best to show you The Light.
Why do you hate Jesus? Don't you want to go to Heaven?

["Non-Believer"]

Re: What is it like to be an atheist?

Did god not make everything? 'The heavens and The Earth'? If so, surely it was he who created all the races that inhabit our wonderful world. Surely it was he who gave man the ability to be gay, for women to wear men's clothes and for people to follow other religions.

I think you summarized beautifully exactly what I am here standing against. It is not the religion, it is instead, the judgement.

I see no need for such outward judging on the other humans that share not only this planet but the exact same species with you.

I will reiterate, believe what you wish, behave as you wish but if that means outwardly judging people to the point of hatred then I'm afraid I disagree. Do not marry someone of a different race if you do not wish to. No one expects it of you. But to say that one should kill another for being of a different religion is madness. Just because someone believes something different does not make them a bad person. They may be right, they may be misguided, we may never know, but none of the above outcomes are deserving of the death penalty.

All I am trying to do is insight a little more compassion into the hearts and minds of the people with whom I share such a wonderful life and world.

[James Hutchins]

Re: What is it like to be an atheist?

Did god not make everything? 'The heavens and The Earth'? If so, surely it was he who created all the races that inhabit our wonderful world. Surely it was he who gave man the ability to be gay, for women to wear men's clothes and for people to follow other religions.

I think you summarized beautifully exactly what I am here standing against. It is not the religion, it is instead, the judgement.

I see no need for such outward judging on the other humans that share not only this planet but the exact same species with you.

I will reiterate, believe what you wish, behave as you wish but if that means outwardly judging people to the point of hatred then I'm afraid I disagree. Do not marry someone of a different race if you do not wish to. No one expects it of you. But to say that one should kill another for being of a different religion is madness. Just because someone believes something different does not make them a bad person. They may be right, they may be misguided, we may never know, but none of the above outcomes are deserving of the death penalty.

All I am trying to do is insight a little more compassion into the hearts and minds of the people with whom I share such a wonderful life and world.

Friend, I care deeply about every single person on Gods Earth. I also know what God wants from us, it is all very clearly written in the Bible. You see, you think you are placing us in the proverbial 'rock and a hard place' but you are not. There is a very clear series of lines that have been drawn and because of that, very easy to follow. First, I treat every man as I want to be treated. Then if God tells me (via the Bible) to do otherwise, I follow His Word. Lastly (and only until we get a Republican in the White House) I have to let secular law have the final say.
To sum it up, I might know a really snappy gay person. God tells me that that person is bad and I should stone him to death. Not what I want but I am not God, just one of His people. Secular law tells me I cannot stone the Homer. So all I can do is shun them and pray for Jesus to smote him with the AIDS.

[Didymus Much]

Re: What is it like to be an atheist?

Did god not make everything? 'The heavens and The Earth'? If so, surely it was he who created all the races that inhabit our wonderful world. Surely it was he who gave man the ability to be gay, for women to wear men's clothes and for people to follow other religions...

Why would He create Hell if He didn't want anyone to go there?

Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."

[Noah Sole]

Re: What is it like to be an atheist?

Noah: I do not need your judgment passed on me, I am capable of thinking for myself without you. And do not use "we" to pass judgment on anyone since you do not speak for everyone but only for yourself. Also perhaps your intuition switch was broken to pass such judgment on the 1st possible opportunity. In simple words: I do NOT have time for people like you, that is all.

Dear Justanotherfatgay

I didn't judge you - I asked you a question. Are you an atheist or a queer? (You can answer 'both' if you like)...

You still haven't answered.

All the best

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: What is it like to be an atheist?

Sort of that. A true Atheist is someone who could not prove or dissprove God. And at the same time they could not agree with religion. They therefore choose to follow a different set of morals, laws, rules etc. The main point is that they are educated and have strong will in their belief.

But what morals could one follow if one does not have the Spirit of Truth in their soul? It would be following random behaviors. Maybe being "moral" like a Muslim would work on Monday, demanding women be covered up from head to toe in complete submission to men, "moral" like a pagan on Tuesday, refusing to eat meat and drawing circles in the park to stand and pray in, "moral" like a Jew on Wednesday, striving to keep as much money as possible without letting one penny extra leave their hands, etc. So, why be moral at all?

Yes there is a difference. However this is in my opinion and others may differ. If they deny God there is no way of turning back, you cannot later change your mind. If however they have not committed their life to God but at some stage decide to do so then there is still salvation for them.

Its difficult to answer your question directly, as what you are saying that they are sort of in limbo, neither here or there. But its agreed that if they do not divine to God before death then they are sure to server the punishment.

How is sure damnation "sort of in limbo"? One is created human, in the state of complete depravity, such that our good LORD cannot even look upon a human until the Blood of Christ conceals their true human essence and God can only see the Work of the Cross. One is naturally destined for Hell for eternity. There is no limbo. This is the default. It is Just and Right for it is the way of the LORD.

But, what do you mean to "divine to God"?

No doubt that they have come across the crucifixion of Jesus Christ, however in other religions and believes Jesus is either not mentioned or is not recognized as the Son of God. Giving a basis to not believe as after all there can only be one and only one God.

How can someone learn about a man who was cruelly killed, buried for three days, come again to LIFE without a single cell decomposed or stinking of rotten flesh, and not see this is the work of God Himself? Are atheists unaware of how flesh decomposes after death? Do they think all people lie in pristine condition for three days after they die? Is this what they're teaching in public schools these days?

Atheism is something you would embrace if nothing else has satisfied you, and it is by all means a statement! You will be amazed as to how many people in the UK are Catholic, however they have not read the Bible, go to Church and so on, they are just Catholic because they were taught to be so.

I think it is just so sad to see how many children are raised in families of religious belief and accept whatever outlandish story they've been told as true simply because they trust their family and friends to be telling the truth.

No human being, be he a believer or Atheist should do such things.

No indeed. Those poor men will never be welcomed in church again (Deuteronomy 23:1).

Remmeber i did not say that I am Christian or a True Christian and so on, Just saying that I do have a belief, but I would much rather it remain with me. I have nothing against Good Christians or the Religion itself. Although I do sometimes disagree with the Church as sometimes I think their actions are almost cult like.

So why do you come here to persecute us? We are simple folk who honor the LORD with praise and worship. Are you trying to take away our rights like Obama and his Culture of Death? You say you have a belief but you provide the kind of quotes that would many any questioning believer wonder about the faith at all. I mean, think about it, you quoted, "Man created God in his image : intolerant, sexist, homophobic and violent." How would one who isn't saved yet interpret this except as a negative commentary on the violence of Yahweh in the Old Testament by virtue of His Righteous Acts of Genocide and handing over of women and girls as rewards for His faithful soldiers? (eg, Numbers 31:7-18)

A True Christian like yourself should be able to decide for herself and not let someone else make a decision for you, especially if you disagree with it.

What are you getting at here? Are you trying to cause tension between me and my husband? (Ephesians 5:23)

After all there is a reason as to why we can make choices. Lastly I was just trying to bring you some ways the Atheists justify themselves.

I am beginning to think you are an atheist. The way you defend them, the way you provide so many quotes to shake the faith of the unsure, the way you try to get me to think for myself and not accept my husband's lordship over me. I think you are a very bad man with no moral code yourself and you must think it fun to come to a forum and tease simple True Christian™ women like myself. You should be ashamed of yourself. I think you would be if only you had the spirit of God in your soul, showing you right from wrong. I'll pray for you, dear.