[Pim Pendergast]

Re: Creationism

How do you know that Bible is true?

Because God said so, and God is not a liar.

Num 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

What do you think about this:

Magick is another word for transformation, creation, and manifestation. Wicca magick is a tool we use to act on the subtle - or energy, or quantum - level of reality. The quantum level is the causal realm. It is the subtle influences at the quantum level that decide which way reality will go.
So if you want to manifest something into ordinary reality, you start by stimulating the quantum realm to favour that potentiality.
That is real magick in action.
Science has known since early in the last century that the material world is made up not of matter, but of energy. And while matter is fairly stable, energy is very fluid.

Here you go twisting science again to suit your own purposes. Please quote a scientific source that says casting spells can alter energy and change matter. I am still waiting for you to prove magick works. Give me even just one instance of when it has worked for you.

All you are doing when you cast a spell is getting yourself into a positive frame of mind, and setting yourself to achieve a goal, albeit with a lot of unnecessary hocus pocus. If you get what you want, or something close to it, you say, "Wow! Look! Magick works!" If you don't get what you want, it's because you didn't do it right, or perhaps you did actually get what you want, just not the way you expected it to come to you. These are lame cop-outs. I found this quote in the article you were referring to:

Life is full of real magick. But we've been trained not to notice it, even when it's right in front of our noses.

Have you ever thought that the reason we don't notice it is because it doesn't work? Maybe wiccans train themselves to interpret every trivial event as evidence that magick works. And if it feels right and is supported by alternative science, it must be true. What is the difference between what you do when you cast a spell and what an ordinary person does when he sets himself a goal and works towards it (except that he doesn't use a cauldron or eye of newt). In the end he may or may not get what he wants, just like you.

[{Anna}]

Re: Creationism

Because God said so, and God is not a liar.

Num 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?



Here you go twisting science again to suit your own purposes. Please quote a scientific source that says casting spells can alter energy and change matter. I am still waiting for you to prove magick works. Give me even just one instance of when it has worked for you.

You heard theory
it is yours to decide will you believe it or not

All you are doing when you cast a spell is getting yourself into a positive frame of mind, and setting yourself to achieve a goal, albeit with a lot of unnecessary hocus pocus. If you get what you want, or something close to it, you say, "Wow! Look! Magick works!" If you don't get what you want, it's because you didn't do it right, or perhaps you did actually get what you want, just not the way you expected it to come to you. These are lame cop-outs. I found this quote in the article you were referring to:



Have you ever thought that the reason we don't notice it is because it doesn't work? Maybe wiccans train themselves to interpret every trivial event as evidence that magick works. And if it feels right and is supported by alternative science, it must be true. What is the difference between what you do when you cast a spell and what an ordinary person does when he sets himself a goal and works towards it (except that he doesn't use a cauldron or eye of newt). In the end he may or may not get what he wants, just like you.

It is because it is part of life
and magick is not what you think it is
Essence of magick

It's just like breathing.You breathe automatically, day in and day out, right? You're not usually conscious of it, and it happens anyway.
And . . . if you become aware of your breathing, and consciously guide your breath, you discover that it is a force much more powerful than you had ever considered.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Creationism

Still trying to trick decent people into joining your coven?

You know Anna, one morning, you are going to wake up, realize how you have been hurting Jesus all these years, put away your childish 'woo' and will try to beg God for His generous forgiveness only to find hHe wil toss you into Hell for your years of hatred.

[{Anna}]

Re: Creationism

Still trying to trick decent people into joining your coven?

You know Anna, one morning, you are going to wake up, realize how you have been hurting Jesus all these years, put away your childish 'woo' and will try to beg God for His generous forgiveness only to find hHe wil toss you into Hell for your years of hatred.

I am not trying to convert people
I don't care what religion you are

[Pim Pendergast]

Re: Creationism

It is because it is part of life
and magick is not what you think it is
Essence of magick

It's just like breathing.You breathe automatically, day in and day out, right? You're not usually conscious of it, and it happens anyway.
And . . . if you become aware of your breathing, and consciously guide your breath, you discover that it is a force much more powerful than you had ever considered.

Where is the proof that what wiccans harness magick more effectively than anyone else does? You still haven't proved that magick exists or works in the first place. What you quoted is not proof; it is just one wiccan's perspective on life.

[{Anna}]

Re: Creationism

Where is the proof that what wiccans harness magick more effectively than anyone else does? You still haven't proved that magick exists or works in the first place. What you quoted is not proof; it is just one wiccan's perspective on life.

Prof of magick
depends on how you define "magick"

[Pim Pendergast]

Re: Creationism

Prof of magick
depends on how you define "magick"

Tell us how you define magick; don't just link to another article.

[{Anna}]

Re: Creationism

Tell us how you define magick; don't just link to another article.

I did already told you that
Here

Magick is another word for transformation, creation, and manifestation. Wicca magick is a tool we use to act on the subtle - or energy, or quantum - level of reality. The quantum level is the causal realm. It is the subtle influences at the quantum level that decide which way reality will go.
So if you want to manifest something into ordinary reality, you start by stimulating the quantum realm to favour that potentiality.
That is real magick in action.
Science has known since early in the last century that the material world is made up not of matter, but of energy. And while matter is fairly stable, energy is very fluid.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Creationism

Are you saying that magic and occultism are permitted in Catholic church?

Catholicism is magic and occultism. Naturally one would not expect to find integrity in such a setting, and one does not. A Romish priest would murder one of his own as readily as he'd deny God's commandment to be fruitful and multiply. And there's a reason why. One of their idols is Isis [they pretend it's Mary] whose priests are required to be celibate. Roman paganism also revered virgins (in the form of Vestal virgins for example) and the hallucinating mystics of earlier Greek cults (such as the Pythagorean school) practised abstinence to enhance the transcendental delusion. So there you have Egyptian, Greek and Roman pagans all feeding into the modern cult of Rome. This is the context in which we understand:

Genesis 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
KJV

THAT IS NOT AN INTERPRETATION. Those are not "magic" words with some "special" meaning only the few may understand. It is quite simple. Once the heretics reject God, rejecting one of their own witches becomes easy.

What do you think about this: drivel deleted

Magick is another word for demonic possession, destruction, and psychosis. Wicca is a devil who uses its slaves to act on its behalf. Then you get onto quantum physics for some reason. Your source quotes:

The quantum level is the causal realm. It is the subtle influences at the quantum level that decide which way reality will go. So if you want to manifest something into ordinary reality, you start by stimulating the quantum realm to favour that potentiality.

The quantum level is described by physicists as the realm where causality breaks down. Indeterminacy means that cause and effect become meaningless. I have no idea what "manifest something into ordinary reality" means because there is no such thing as a reality that excludes part of itself. Reality comprises everything that exists. If you define reality in such a way as to omit trees, say, and then produce a tree that's not magic. It's a faulty definition.

Science has known since early in the last century that the material world is made up not of matter

the word material means made of matter. God is clear that witches go to HELL FOREVER. You claim to be a witch. Without The Bible you would not even have the word to describe yourself.

Exodus 22:18 Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.
KJV

You need to get another source. A reliable source, one that will satisfy your thirst. Jesus is that source. The Bible teaches:

John 4:14 whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.
KJV . context

There is your answer. It's time for you to cast aside foolish superstition and embrace God. Soon Jesus will be returning; do you really want to be left behind?

[{Anna}]

Re: Creationism

Catholicism is magic and occultism. Naturally one would not expect to find integrity in such a setting, and one does not. A Romish priest would murder one of his own as readily as he'd deny God's commandment to be fruitful and multiply. And there's a reason why. One of their idols is Isis [they pretend it's Mary] whose priests are required to be celibate. Roman paganism also revered virgins (in the form of Vestal virgins for example) and the hallucinating mystics of earlier Greek cults (such as the Pythagorean school) practised abstinence to enhance the transcendental delusion. So there you have Egyptian, Greek and Roman pagans all feeding into the modern cult of Rome. This is the context in which we understand:

Genesis 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
KJV

THAT IS NOT AN INTERPRETATION. Those are not "magic" words with some "special" meaning only the few may understand. It is quite simple. Once the heretics reject God, rejecting one of their own witches becomes easy.


Magick is another word for demonic possession, destruction, and psychosis. Wicca is a devil who uses its slaves to act on its behalf. Then you get onto quantum physics for some reason. Your source quotes:


The quantum level is described by physicists as the realm where causality breaks down. Indeterminacy means that cause and effect become meaningless. I have no idea what "manifest something into ordinary reality" means because there is no such thing as a reality that excludes part of itself. Reality comprises everything that exists. If you define reality in such a way as to omit trees, say, and then produce a tree that's not magic. It's a faulty definition.

the word material means made of matter. God is clear that witches go to HELL FOREVER. You claim to be a witch. Without The Bible you would not even have the word to use to describe yourself.

Exodus 22:18 Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.
KJV

You need to get another source. A reliable source, one that will satisfy your thirst. Jesus is that source. The Bible teaches:

John 4:14 whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.
KJV . context

There is your answer. It's time for you to cast aside foolish superstition and embrace God. Soon Jesus will be returning; do you really want to be left behind?

Magick is not
-Not something way out there in woo-woo land,
-Not a talent only a few abnormal people possess,
-Not something you inherit from someone else,
-Not a rare and exceptional occurrence,
-Not dependent on devils, demons, or evil forces,
-Not unfathomable, unknowable, or uncontrollable.

Magick is

-A natural process,

-Inherent in every living being, and especially human beings,

-A skill that can be taught and developed,

-In action all the time, in every situation, whether we're aware of it or not,

-A reflection of our Divine Essence and a channeling of Divine Creative Power,

-An art and a science, with clearly definable processes.

[Pim Pendergast]

Re: Creationism

Prof of magick
depends on how you define "magick"

Tell us how you define magick; don't just link to another article.

I did already told you that
Here

Magick is another word for transformation, creation, and manifestation. Wicca magick is a tool we use to act on the subtle - or energy, or quantum - level of reality. The quantum level is the causal realm. It is the subtle influences at the quantum level that decide which way reality will go.
So if you want to manifest something into ordinary reality, you start by stimulating the quantum realm to favour that potentiality.
That is real magick in action.
Science has known since early in the last century that the material world is made up not of matter, but of energy. And while matter is fairly stable, energy is very fluid.

OK. So where's the proof?

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Creationism

Please stop posting rubbish about magic. This is a Christian site. Your questions have been answered.

God prohibits sorcery, magic, occultism, divination, charms, satanism and witchcraft. If you don't agree with Him, why are you posting here at all?

As far as an introduction goes, you have been shown patience. We have led you to the source of Living Water but like the horse in the adage we can't make you drink.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Creationism

I am not trying to convert people
I don't care what religion you are

Of course you are trying to convert decent, honest True Christians™. Why else would you be on our loving forum?

God tells us all witches should be burnt at the stake
Suffer Not a Witch to Live!

Leviticus 20:27
A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them.

Leviticus 19:31
Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the Lord your God.

Deuteronomy 18:9-14
9 When thou art come into the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.
10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch.
11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.
12 For all that do these things are an abomination unto the Lord: and because of these abominations the Lord thy God doth drive them out from before thee.
13 Thou shalt be perfect with the Lord thy God.
14 For these nations, which thou shalt possess, hearkened unto observers of times, and unto diviners: but as for thee, the Lord thy God hath not suffered thee so to do.

Micah 5:12
And I will cut off witchcrafts out of thine hand; and thou shalt have no more soothsayers:

Daniel 2:27
Daniel answered in the presence of the king, and said, The secret which the king hath demanded cannot the wise men, the astrologers, the magicians, the soothsayers, shew unto the king;

2 Kings 21:6
And he made his son pass through the fire, and observed times, and used enchantments, and dealt with familiar spirits and wizards: he wrought much wickedness in the sight of the Lord, to provoke him to anger.

I want to like you Anna, but as you can see, my hands are somewhat tied. So please realize it is nothing personal in that I want to burn you alive.

[{Anna}]

Re: Creationism

OK. So where's the proof?

How do you know that prayer works?
and what is the difference between prayer and magick?
Really very little if anything
They have the same goal in mind,
and sometimes use the same ways to accomplish their goal.
I have heard many argue the effectiveness of prayer.
This could be one proof.
Physically, I have seen healing changes made through magick,
on others, or on myself.
Whether or not it was actually the magick,
or the belief in the effectiveness stimulating our minds is
not really relevant in this though.
The fact is it initiated a change. To me this is a proof.

Please stop posting rubbish about magic. This is a Christian site. Your questions have been answered.

God prohibits sorcery, magic, occultism, divination, charms, satanism and witchcraft. If you don't agree with Him, why are you posting here at all?

As far as an introduction goes, you have been shown patience. We have led you to the source of Living Water but like the horse in the adage we can't make you drink.

You asked-I answered

Of course you are trying to convert decent, honest True Christians™. Why else would you be on our loving forum?

Why I would convert you?
I here to correct your wrong views about Wicca

God tells us all witches should be burnt at the stake
Suffer Not a Witch to Live!

Leviticus 20:27
A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them.

Leviticus 19:31
Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the Lord your God.

Deuteronomy 18:9-14
9 When thou art come into the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.
10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch.
11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.
12 For all that do these things are an abomination unto the Lord: and because of these abominations the Lord thy God doth drive them out from before thee.
13 Thou shalt be perfect with the Lord thy God.
14 For these nations, which thou shalt possess, hearkened unto observers of times, and unto diviners: but as for thee, the Lord thy God hath not suffered thee so to do.

Micah 5:12
And I will cut off witchcrafts out of thine hand; and thou shalt have no more soothsayers:

Daniel 2:27
Daniel answered in the presence of the king, and said, The secret which the king hath demanded cannot the wise men, the astrologers, the magicians, the soothsayers, shew unto the king;

2 Kings 21:6
And he made his son pass through the fire, and observed times, and used enchantments, and dealt with familiar spirits and wizards: he wrought much wickedness in the sight of the Lord, to provoke him to anger.

I want to like you Anna, but as you can see, my hands are somewhat tied. So please realize it is nothing personal in that I want to burn you alive.

What do you mean by "like"
Yes,nothing personal

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Creationism

It is because it is part of life
and magick is not what you think it is
Essence of magick

Sodomy is a part of life, according to queer abominations. Is that magic?

You're just coming out with weird stuff that makes you feel good if something works out the way you wanted it to, which is bound to happen eventually by chance. All you need to do then is ignore all the times it doesn't work.

This is the exact opposite of how prayer works because prayer is the result of intervention by God when we ask Him in prayer.

I hope this helps you in your path to realising you are talking nonsense.