[{Anna}]

Re: Creationism

Before I was saved I was very interested in out of body experience research and one experimental design used was to fire mice out of a special gun at a wall to potentially kill them. Above the target zone we hung cheese linked up to a vibration sensor.

The hypothesis was that if out of body experiences are real the spirits (not souls as animals don't have them) would rise up and try to eat the cheese, triggering the sensors.

Guess what? Nothing happened. We even lowered out P value to .1 but there was no effect.

I was a scientist and out of body experiences are a heap of BS. When we die we wait unknowingly untill the ressurection.

Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

YIC

Ther is pepole that experianced out of body experience
what they described is very similar to each other
and similar to near-deth expiriance

Oh, magick is real enough. Messing with it will give you an EzPas® straight to Hell!

You see, I am not as narrowed minded as you are. All True Christians™ have open minds and always readily consider all sides of a discussion. See Anna, we carefully thought about all your comments and decided you are wrong.
Isaiah 29:14 Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.

Matthew 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Luke 10:21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.

John 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
John 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day.

John 12:39 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,
John 12:40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.

1st Corinthians 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
1st Corinthians 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
1st Corinthians 1:19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
1st Corinthians 1:20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

OK
Telling a Pagan they're going to Hell is like
telling a Christian they're going to Mordor

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Creationism

Here,informacions
Wicca magick
What is real magick
Let me use your logic
And your Bible prohibits magick and occult

Oh nonsense, show us were you get these ideas for talking animals, wizards surviving their own deaths or men flying off into the air. Christianity isn't a bunch of people dressed in archaic costumes standing around enacting rituals out of some musty old book that no one has really read in centuries.

Why prohibt something that isn't real

Because sorcery is an evil fantasy like supply side economics.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Creationism

Pagan

Why? On what evidence do you base your ridiculous beliefs in goats or spells or whatever it is you believe in?

[{Anna}]

Re: Creationism

Why? On what evidence do you base your ridiculous beliefs in goats or spells or whatever it is you believe in?

Important things you should know about Wicca
before talking about Wicca
Wicca information
Wicca FAQs
Christian and wicca

Oh nonsense, show us were you get these ideas for talking animals, wizards surviving their own deaths or men flying off into the air. Christianity isn't a bunch of people dressed in archaic costumes standing around enacting rituals out of some musty old book that no one has really read in centuries.

Did I sed anything about talking animals or pepole that
can flying or that can survive their own deaths
Wicca isn't a bunch of people dressed in archaic costumes standing around enacting rituals out of some old book

Because sorcery is an evil fantasy like supply side economics.

This all just proves that you didn't read anything from links
and what is connection between Wicca and supply side economics

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Creationism

Important things you should know about Wicca
before talking about Wicca... blather deleted

Why would I need to know anything about Wicca?

I asked you what evidence you have for any of the things you believe about Wicca? Who told you any of it was true? Why do you think it is true?

[Didymus Much]

Re: Creationism

...Yes,I believe in magick
God and Goddess-yes

You know their ignorance, superstition and bullshit is wrong because YOUR ignorance, superstition and bullshit is right.



Incredible.

[{Anna}]

Re: Creationism

Why would I need to know anything about Wicca?

If you're going to talk abaut Wicca you need to know
something abaut Wicca
It is like this-Somebody can't talk abaut cars if
that doesn't know anything about cars

I asked you what evidence you have for any of the things you believe about Wicca? Who told you any of it was true? Why do you think it is true?

I can ask you same questions
Why do you think Bible is true?
Who told you Bible is true?
What evidence you have for Bible which you believe?

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Creationism

If you're going to talk abaut Wicca you need to know
something abaut Wicca
It is like this-Somebody can't talk abaut cars if
that doesn't know anything about cars

Dear, I don't need to know anything about chemistry to know that I don't want to lick paint. I don't need to know anything about physics to know that I don't want to try breathing under water. I don't need to know anything about astronomy to know wishing upon a shooting star is a waste of time that could be better spent praying.

Wicca is a made up religion that distracts one from the One True Lord, Jesus Christ, the Only Son of God.

Stop with this self-deception. Listen to the LORD speaking to your own heart.

[{Anna}]

Re: Creationism

You know their ignorance, superstition and bullshit is wrong because YOUR ignorance, superstition and bullshit is right.



Incredible.

No,I know that because of science

Dear, I don't need to know anything about chemistry to know that I don't want to lick paint. I don't need to know anything about physics to know that I don't want to try breathing under water. I don't need to know anything about astronomy to know wishing upon a shooting star is a waste of time that could be better spent praying.

So does the rest of the world know this

[Didymus Much]

Re: Creationism

No,I know that because of science...

So what "science" justifies your belief in Wicca? What evidence have your "gods and goddesses" ever given of their existence?

Show me the "magick"!

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Creationism

If you're going to talk abaut Wicca you need to know
something abaut Wicca
It is like this-Somebody can't talk abaut cars if
that doesn't know anything about cars



I can ask you same questions
Why do you think Bible is true?
Who told you Bible is true?
What evidence you have for Bible which you believe?

No... you don't get off the hook that easily. You came in here with the chutzpah to upbraid us for believing in theings we were told by our parents and pastors and having faith. You have done so for a while now. Yet here you are telling us you believe in total mumbo jumbo that was clearly re-invented in the 1960s by new age woo woo heads.

You are a total hypocrite.

So what gives you any sort of theological high ground here? Nothing, that's what!

Jesus died for you. Actually died for you (temporarily), but you'd rather put your faith in some silly herbs and daft rituals and pseudo science and bullshit.

Did you just do it because it felt exciting to go against the establishment? I suppose it doesn't matter because you're going to Hell either way.

[Faith_Machine]

Re: Creationism

No I am not
I talking abaut science ley lines,out-of-body experience etc.
Do you know that sciencist who in modern times described
out-of-body experience is similar to one that shamans had described
and that sciencist didn't know abaut beliefs that shamans had
abaut out-of-body experience or their described
Makes you wonder,does it

So a modern scientist happened to have the same neurological problem that some shaman once had, and therefore experienced a similar hallucination to the shaman's, and you think that's proof of something?

[Faith_Machine]

Re: Creationism

Also, "ley lines"?

Yes, why attribute something to random chance, when you can instead decide it's the result of some magical energy source that nobody has ever been able to detect.

Only don't call it magical energy. Call it science.

I'm guessing you own a pair of dowsing rods and use them frequently.

[{Anna}]

Re: Creationism

So what "science" justifies your belief in Wicca? What evidence have your "gods and goddesses" ever given of their existence?

Show me the "magick"!

No,I ment science is proven that Earth is not 6000 yers

No... you don't get off the hook that easily. You came in here with the chutzpah to upbraid us for believing in theings we were told by our parents and pastors and having faith. You have done so for a while now. Yet here you are telling us you believe in total mumbo jumbo that was clearly re-invented in the 1960s by new age woo woo heads.

You are a total hypocrite.

So what gives you any sort of theological high ground here? Nothing, that's what!

Jesus died for you. Actually died for you (temporarily), but you'd rather put your faith in some silly herbs and daft rituals and pseudo science and bullshit.

Did you just do it because it felt exciting to go against the establishment? I suppose it doesn't matter because you're going to Hell either way.

Litle advice to all of you
Read what is links

So a modern scientist happened to have the same neurological problem that some shaman once had, and therefore experienced a similar hallucination to the shaman's, and you think that's proof of something?

No,shamans(pural)discribed the similar thing
No is is not proof,just intresting observacion

Also, "ley lines"?

Yes, why attribute something to random chance, when you can instead decide it's the result of some magical energy source that nobody has ever been able to detect.

Only don't call it magical energy. Call it science.

I'm guessing you own a pair of dowsing rods and use them frequently.

That was example
but 2 pictures

[Didymus Much]

Re: Creationism

No,I ment science is proven that Earth is not 6000 yers...

Why should they listen to you about science? Why should anyone? You're a Wiccan!

...No,shamans(pural)discribed the similar thing
No is is not proof,just intresting observacion...

So two people had similar hallucinations. Wow?

...

So, a straight line from Moscow to Madrid happens to pass through Vienna? This is proof of what, now?

And: guess what? That's a flat map. Because the Earth is spherical, when you try to represent it in a flat manner, it gets distorted: distances between places change, straight lines aren't, etc.

So I pulled up Google Earth, and... (sorry for huge images, but detail is necessary here)

A straight line from Moscow to Madrid not only doesn't go near Vienna at all, it misses Austria completely!

Second image is a zoom of Spanish end of the line, to show that Madrid is the endpoint.