[Peter Roy]

Re: GOD PARADOX!!!!!!

That's all great, but can God make a stone so heavy that no-one can move even him?

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: GOD PARADOX!!!!!!

That's all great, but can God make a stone so heavy that no-one can move even him?

God can make any kind of stone, and he can move any kind of stone. This is inherent in the definition of omnipotence. The fact that this question exists shows nothing but that some people are really stupid.

[Peter Roy]

Re: GOD PARADOX!!!!!!

God can make any kind of stone, and he can move any kind of stone. This is inherent in the definition of omnipotence. The fact that this question exists shows nothing but that some people are really stupid.

"Can [an omnipotent being] create a stone so heavy that it cannot lift it?"

This question generates a dilemma. The being can either create a stone which it cannot lift, or it cannot create a stone which it cannot lift.

If the being can create a stone that it cannot lift, then it seems that it can cease to be omnipotent. If the being cannot create a stone which it cannot lift, then it seems it is already not omnipotent.

[Bible Student]

Re: GOD PARADOX!!!!!!

man my brains just explodeds all over this innerlecktual thread. is it a parradox that lord Jesus were his own fathers? i bets lord Jesus were real boreds when he had conversashuns cuz he knew everythang before he were borned an what folk were gonna says before they saids it, he prolly just noddeds his head an smileds an pretends that what folk saids were real inneresting, even tho it not.

[Bible Student]

Re: GOD PARADOX!!!!!!

That's all great, but can God make a stone so heavy that no-one can move even him?

Just as I thought, you are a teenybopper who thinks he is intelligent. The clue -- you avoided answering the question. Go away or answer my question.

[Atheist Interloper]

Re: GOD PARADOX!!!!!!

"Can [an omnipotent being] create a stone so heavy that it cannot lift it?"

This question generates a dilemma. The being can either create a stone which it cannot lift, or it cannot create a stone which it cannot lift.

If the being can create a stone that it cannot lift, then it seems that it can cease to be omnipotent. If the being cannot create a stone which it cannot lift, then it seems it is already not omnipotent.

There are plenty of excellent arguments to justify disbelief in gods. And you choose this one??

The fact of the matter is that if a being could create a stone so heavy it cannot lift it, it would not be omnipotent. But if it can create any sort of stone, and lift any sort of stone, this would not contraindicate omnipotence. Just because you can get the Christians to say that their god cannot do something does not make that god less than omnipotent. It just means that the action you presented is not performable by omnipotent beings.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: GOD PARADOX!!!!!!

Why do these script kiddies think they're being original with this kind of nonsense anyway?

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: GOD PARADOX!!!!!!

Proof that God is not all-powerful!

If God was truly all-powerful, he would be able to create a taco so spicy that nobody could eat it.

I can make a taco so spicy that nobody could eat it.

Does that make me God?

What's your point?

But if God was truly all-powerful, then he would be able to eat it.
PROBLEM??

So you are saying that only (i) nobody and (ii)God can eat my spicy tacos?

1. Why would God want to eat Tacos which are nasty Messican't food?
2. God probably lives on Manna:
Ex:16:15: And when the children of Israel saw it, they said one to another, It is manna: for they wist not what it was. And Moses said unto them, This is the bread which the LORD hath given you to eat.
Ex:16:31: And the house of Israel called the name thereof Manna: and it was like coriander seed, white; and the taste of it was like wafers made with honey.

[Peter Roy]

Re: GOD PARADOX!!!!!!

There are plenty of excellent arguments to justify disbelief in gods. And you choose this one??

The fact of the matter is that if a being could create a stone so heavy it cannot lift it, it would not be omnipotent. But if it can create any sort of stone, and lift any sort of stone, this would not contraindicate omnipotence. Just because you can get the Christians to say that their god cannot do something does not make that god less than omnipotent. It just means that the action you presented is not performable by omnipotent beings.

They are arguing about paradoxes and God, I just give the most classic paradox. I'm not here to give an argument about to justify the disbelief in god(s).

Do you mean something like :

To believe that something is or isn't true, one must have criteria on which to decide as well as evidence to back up the criteria. In addition one must have confidence and knowledge that the criteria chosen are satisfactory.

Like Hume, who assumed what he set out to prove, there is circular reasoning in some of the arguments for God's non-existence. It is a belief pure and simple, and this is a definite choice people make. The fact that it is necessary to do so, for whatever reason, indicates that disbelief in God or gods is not the normal position of mankind as almost universal history testifies.

Many equate non belief in God or gods with non belief in mythical creatures which the majority of people also do not believe because universal experience is against such myths. Non belief in God is actually quite different, since there have been many in the past and are still today who testify that they know God, and that He has changed their lives. People are still today, possibly more so willing to die, not for a lie, but for what they personally know to be true. It must be made clear that the reference is being made to personal suffering under persecution, not those who die and in the process take as many others with them, as possible.

So, it is not necessary to have gone to the moon to believe that it happened. To deny it, as some do, is akin to distrusting a whole bunch of evidence as well as having a massive belief in conspiracy theories. If God does not exist and the Bible is therefore hogwash, as some would effectively assert, then over 5000 individual pieces of evidence confirming the Bible, together with it's assertions about God, have to be denied or explained away. These pieces of evidence are sitting in museums around the world. Just like the silent testimony of the moon rocks they refute the assumptions that something is wrong or untrue, when what is demonstrated is that this is a belief against all the evidence.

So, effectively, the answer is no. To believe that God doesn't exist you are making a choice, a belief, using whatever criteria is chosen to eliminate the hard evidence that He does.

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Does_the_d...#ixzz1Wuz79hDo

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: GOD PARADOX!!!!!!

Do you mean something like :

No, he did not! He has not the mental capacity to construct such an argument.

Like Hume, who assumed what he set out to prove, there is circular reasoning in some of the arguments for God's non-existence.

You cretin! Do you not realize that every atheist and his dog will now chant the same thing back at you about the existence of God???!!!

Well, if they do, you can answer the godless ones. I'm not going over "God exists 101" time and again!

It is a belief pure and simple, and this is a definite choice people make. The fact that it is necessary to do so, for whatever reason, indicates that disbelief in God or gods is not the normal position of mankind as almost universal history testifies.

It is NOT a belief! IT IS A FACTUAL TRUTH!

Many equate non belief in God or gods with non belief in mythical creatures which the majority of people also do not believe because universal experience is against such myths.

There you go again! God is like fairies or pixies! Stop it I say!

Non belief in God is actually quite different, since there have been many in the past and are still today who testify that they know God, and that He has changed their lives.

Dear Lord! How do we stop people like you from ruining Landover's job of saving the unsaved trash?? Answer me that! Here you are exposing our methods IN ADVANCE!

Have you no experience of Missionary work amongst the seething mass of abomination? Can you not hear them saying, "Yeah, someone hears voices in the head - there must he a God!"

I am just at the point of banning you!

People are still today, possibly more so willing to die, not for a lie, but for what they personally know to be true. It must be made clear that the reference is being made to personal suffering under persecution, not those who die and in the process take as many others with them, as possible.

You are doing more to bring Landover to a close than any atheists I have ever seen.

ARE YOU A DAMNED CATHOLIC???

So, it is not necessary to have gone to the moon to believe that it happened. To deny it, as some do, is akin to distrusting a whole bunch of evidence as well as having a massive belief in conspiracy theories.

No it is NOT! No one has been to the Moon. How did they get out of the firmament which is "like glass."?

If God does not exist and the Bible is therefore hogwash,

OK. I've had enough. Now you are saying the Bi8ble is hogwash and there is no God![deleted to prevent my blood-pressure from rising above 220!]

[Peter Roy]

Re: GOD PARADOX!!!!!!

No, he did not! He has not the mental capacity to construct such an argument.

You cretin! Do you not realize that every atheist and his dog will now chant the same thing back at you about the existence of God???!!!

Well, if they do, you can answer the godless ones. I'm not going over "God exists 101" time and again!

It is NOT a belief! IT IS A FACTUAL TRUTH!

There you go again! God is like fairies or pixies! Stop it I say! Dear Lord! How do we stop people like you from ruining Landover's job of saving the unsaved trash?? Answer me that! Here you are exposing our methods IN ADVANCE!

Have you no experience of Missionary work amongst the seething mass of abomination? Can you not hear them saying, "Yeah, someone hears voices in the head - there must he a God!"

I am just at the point of banning you!

You are doing more to bring Landover to a close than any atheists I have ever seen.

ARE YOU A DAMNED CATHOLIC???

No it is NOT! No one has been to the Moon. How did they get out of the firmament which is "like glass."?

OK. I've had enough. Now you are saying the Bi8ble is hogwash and there is no God![deleted to prevent my blood-pressure from rising above 220!]

I forgot to mention that I got the text from this site:

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Does_the_disbelief_of_God_first_assume_the_existence_of_God

[Dan U. Holier]

Re: GOD PARADOX!!!!!!

"Can [an omnipotent being] create a stone so heavy that it cannot lift it?"

The ages old so-called “omnipotence paradox” is in fact a semantic paradox, not a logical one.

Thomas Aquinas answered on it a bit less than eight centuries ago: since God is omnipotent, the phrase "cannot lift" doesn't make sense and the paradox is meaningless.

YiC

Dan

[Atheist Interloper]

Re: GOD PARADOX!!!!!!

They are arguing about paradoxes and God, I just give the most classic paradox. I'm not here to give an argument about to justify the disbelief in god(s).

Do you mean something like :

To believe that something is or isn't true, one must have criteria on which to decide as well as evidence to back up the criteria. In addition one must have confidence and knowledge that the criteria chosen are satisfactory.

Like Hume, who assumed what he set out to prove, there is circular reasoning in some of the arguments for God's non-existence. It is a belief pure and simple, and this is a definite choice people make. The fact that it is necessary to do so, for whatever reason, indicates that disbelief in God or gods is not the normal position of mankind as almost universal history testifies.

Many equate non belief in God or gods with non belief in mythical creatures which the majority of people also do not believe because universal experience is against such myths. Non belief in God is actually quite different, since there have been many in the past and are still today who testify that they know God, and that He has changed their lives. People are still today, possibly more so willing to die, not for a lie, but for what they personally know to be true. It must be made clear that the reference is being made to personal suffering under persecution, not those who die and in the process take as many others with them, as possible.

So, it is not necessary to have gone to the moon to believe that it happened. To deny it, as some do, is akin to distrusting a whole bunch of evidence as well as having a massive belief in conspiracy theories. If God does not exist and the Bible is therefore hogwash, as some would effectively assert, then over 5000 individual pieces of evidence confirming the Bible, together with it's assertions about God, have to be denied or explained away. These pieces of evidence are sitting in museums around the world. Just like the silent testimony of the moon rocks they refute the assumptions that something is wrong or untrue, when what is demonstrated is that this is a belief against all the evidence.

So, effectively, the answer is no. To believe that God doesn't exist you are making a choice, a belief, using whatever criteria is chosen to eliminate the hard evidence that He does.

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Does_the_d...#ixzz1Wuz79hDo

That sounds awfully biased in favor of theism.

All I'm saying is that this "classical paradox" doesn't prove anything except that you can confuse people by using veiled absurdity.

Again, an omnipotent being would be able to make any stone, and lift any stone. That is the straightforward answer to your "paradox".

[Zechariah Smyth]

Proof that God is not all-powerful!

If God was truly all-powerful, he would be able to create a taco so spicy that nobody could eat it. But if God was truly all-powerful, then he would be able to eat it.

PROBLEM??

I doubt God would want chink food.



Yours in Christ,

Z. Smyth
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[James Hutchins]

Re: GOD PARADOX!!!!!!

That's all great, but can God make a stone so heavy that no-one can move even him?

Are you really that incredibly dense?

God can make a stone so heavy that no one can lift it. God can do anything and there are no bounds to His power. So He is capable of making a stone He cannot lift AND only He can lift it.
God can do/make anything, He can do/make nothing. We are in no position to question Him.