[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: Christian in need of guidance

Even if I did not have a bible i would still believe in the existance of God because he is in my heart, and I can feel it.

That's interesting. Wiccans routinely say the same thing about their god and goddess. Since so many people feel "gods" in their hearts, and since those gods have mutually exclusive attributes and therefore cannot all be the One True God, that feeling in your heart isn't a reliable guide, is it?

[James Hutchins]

Re: Christian in need of guidance

I have no eveidence? neither do you, can you provide proof that the bible as it is written is %100 the true word of god.

DO NOT SAY THE BIBLE SAYS because the bible was written by men.

I MEAN REAL SOLID PROOF.

when you can do this i will do the same

btw I am yet to meet a single person here with an original thought let alone wit.

Bret, why do I have the suspicion you are a liar?
Bret, as I have carefuly explained several times (I understand you may be a a tad 'slow') Gods creation, Man, wrote the Bible. If there were mistakes, God had Man fix them. Do you honetly think God would allow errors to exist for hundreds of years? I'd love to see any of your so called 'proof' that there is an error in the Bible caused by Man that God allowed to remain.
The really sad part here is you have been provided abundant proof that God did sign off on the Bible. However, you want some sort of warped proof to satisfy you. Did you ever stop to think there is one 'You' and millions upon millions of 'Us'. We have all been touched by Him and our lives show it. From what I can tell, your life is shallow and hollow, wandering and vacant. I'll pray for you Bret.

[Bret Henderson]

Re: False Christian in need of guidance

It seems that you have caught yourself in a bear trap here, sister.

If you are saying that God is in charge of everything then everything written in the Bible (KJV1611) has been vetted by the ultimate editor.

no it was not. do you think God proof read KJV1611? It was written under the order from King James not by God.

Even if flawed humans had made errors they would have made them because that is what God wanted to happen:

Thanks for agreeing thats exactly what i have been trying to say.

Or was the Bible (KJV1611) simply a massive conspiracy to put forward the wrong position of God?

Don't you think all this talk of ancient conspiracies is starting to sound a bit 'Dan Brown'?

Do you honestly believe a bunch of people took to time to write down the inerrant Word of God™ 400 years ago just to put people slightly off track about God?

That does not make sense: the only sensible option is the Bible (KJV1611) is infact, the inherent Word of God™.

Anything else is just yet another conspiracy (no doubt with something to do with the Templars (again)).

YIC

I guess there is a bit of a conspiracy there. The KIng James Bible was written at the request of King James because the version they were using did not suit him or his church. It had nothing to do with what God wanted.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: False Christian in need of guidance

I guess there is a bit of a conspiracy there. The KIng James Bible was written at the request of King James because the version they were using did not suit him or his church. It had nothing to do with what God wanted.

So King James was more powerful than the Almighty?

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: False Christian in need of guidance

no it was not. do you think God proof read KJV1611? It was written under the order from King James not by God.

Even if flawed humans had made errors they would have made them because that is what God wanted to happen:

Thanks for agreeing thats exactly what i have been trying to say.



I guess there is a bit of a conspiracy there. The KIng James Bible was written at the request of King James because the version they were using did not suit him or his church. It had nothing to do with what God wanted.

Never mind all your entirely made up opinions on the KJV. You're just thinking things are true then asserting them with unearned authority and expecting people to roll over and say you are right.

What's worse is that you are making up a fake god and running away from rebukes that nail you as a moral coward. Now read back a few posts and answer the charges.

[James Hutchins]

Re: False Christian in need of guidance

Bret, you do know that God is constantly testing our faith. He does this by having us perform unpleasant tasks or do things that just plain make no sense. I suspect you are a test, Bret. I think God sent you to use, you, a false Christian, to have us confirm our resolve and unwavering faith in His Almighty Majesty and Supreme Wonder.
Bret, I've been washed in the blood of Jesus Chrsit. Have you or did you decide that was too icky and therefore not important?
Tell me Bret, what makes you think that parts of the Bible are wrong and how do you determine that? Do you have Cliff Notes?

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: False Christian in need of guidance

Hi everyone!

My name is Bret, i am a born again Christian ... my wife refuses to accept him as her one and only savior and pathway to heaven. She is also very disobedient and refuses to submit mentally and physically to me like a good Christian woman should. what should i do?

Well, first you must accept that as a man you have a God Given duty to ensure that your wife does nothing stupid.

Now this is the difficult path that God tells us we must travel, for women comprise 87.43% of the stupid of the world. From Eve, to the present day woman, nothing much has changed and if you look around, you will see many instances of disobedience, frail thinking, poor judgement, lack of spatial awareness, hysteria, emotions, obsessions with small things like children and housework, etc.

Instead of trying to force your wife to appreciate the need for Jesus in everyone's life, just tell her that she is required to see you as Jesus. This may come as a surprise, but it is all there in The Good Book!

1st Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
...
1st Corinthians 11:8 For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.
1st Corinthians 11:9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.
...
1st Corinthians 14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
...
1st Timothy 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
1st Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
1st Timothy 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
1st Timothy 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Christian in need of guidance

Thats right the bible was written by men, it may be the word of God but it was written by men. Because men are not perfect and are full of sin, especially any scribes who would have been working for King James The word of God was tainted by their sin. Its not about skipping bits. Oh no this would not be acceptable. It is about identifying which parts have been tainted by the sins of the men that wrote it down, and deciphering what it really means.

No God does not tell us which parts have been tainted, and it is difficult to identify and decipher, much more difficult than taking every word litterally. And this is the way God meant for it to be. If he didnt want it this way he would have had it written in heaven and handed to man.

I am sticking to the difficult path, there are many taking the easy path.

Goodness, with that logic, how can you believe any of the Bible to be valuable at all?

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Christian in need of guidance

Goodness, with that logic, how can you believe any of the Bible to be valuable at all?

He doesn't. He just knows (in his heart ) that he is better at thinking about God than anyone else and that he is right and everyone else is wrong.

[Bret Henderson]

Re: False Christian in need of guidance

So King James was more powerful than the Almighty?

Apparently when it comes to rewriting the bible he did.

Never mind all your entirely made up opinions on the KJV. You're just thinking things are true then asserting them with unearned authority and expecting people to roll over and say you are right.

What's worse is that you are making up a fake god and running away from rebukes that nail you as a moral coward. Now read back a few posts and answer the charges.

they are not just my opinions on the KJV it is the facts. If it is not true why is it called the King James version?

Well, first you must accept that as a man you have a God Given duty to ensure that your wife does nothing stupid.

Now this is the difficult path that God tells us we must travel, for women comprise 87.43% of the stupid of the world. From Eve, to the present day woman, nothing much has changed and if you look around, you will see many instances of disobedience, frail thinking, poor judgement, lack of spatial awareness, hysteria, emotions, obsessions with small things like children and housework, etc.

Instead of trying to force your wife to appreciate the need for Jesus in everyone's life, just tell her that she is required to see you as Jesus. This may come as a surprise, but it is all there in The Good Book!

1st Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
...
1st Corinthians 11:8 For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.
1st Corinthians 11:9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.
...
1st Corinthians 14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
...
1st Timothy 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
1st Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
1st Timothy 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
1st Timothy 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

Thank you so much Ezekiel, this was all i was after from the very beginning. Where were you 4 pages ago.

[James Hutchins]

Re: False Christian in need of guidance

......
Thank you so much Ezekiel, this was all i was after from the very beginning. Where were you 4 pages ago.

Now I am very confused. You have a Bible, yet you think it is wrong though when given scripture from it, you are happy with you.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: False Christian in need of guidance

1 Corinthians

Of course it does not take 5 years to read the Bible. It can be read in a couple of days. However it takes a long time to take in and comprehend. the word of God is complex, and only a fool would suggest he understands the wishes of God after skimming through the Bible. In fact a true Christian never finishes studying the Bible, it is a life long quest. So seeing as i have only been studying for 5 years my understanding of Gods will is limited.

I suggest you try my Getting to Know God Bible Study Program.

It's so very simple!

Step 1: Obtain a Bible, preferably King James.

Step 2: Obtain a notebook or notepad.

Step 3: Read Genesis 1.

Step 4: In your notebook, write down what story you just read and where in the Bible it is. (e.g. Genesis 1: Creation.)

Step 5: Write down what the story told you about God. Whom does He love? Whom does He hate? What things please or displease Him?

Step 6: Repeat Steps 3-5 for succeeding chapters of the Bible.

Just completing the Getting to Know God program for the book of Genesis -- the work of an afternoon -- will paint for you a picture of God like you've never known, friend! You will be on your way to an intimate knowledge of God, who is truly nothing like the omnibenevolent wish-granting genie that many preachers would have you worship!

I study the bible at my alter, so my computer does not suffice. its not like i cant read the Bible i have. Its just i have not studied it enough yet to be able to easily reference verses that can help me.

If you are able to reference me to Bible verses that may assist me with the problems i am having with my wife it would be much appreciated.

Your favorite verse is from 1 Corinthians, yet you can't find your answer . . . in 1 Corinthians:

1 Corinthians 7:12-15

12 But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.

13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him.

14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.

15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.

There's also 2 Corinthians 6:14-17

14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

[Bret Henderson]

Re: False Christian in need of guidance

Now I am very confused. You have a Bible, yet you think it is wrong though when given scripture from it, you are happy with you.

I never said the bible is wrong, I just choose to understand it differently to you. read my favorite verse I quoted on the first page.

and yes I am happy because this is what I was asking for in the very beginning. You probably did not notice though as you were busy trying to prove how superior you are.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Christian in need of guidance

If you were genuinely interested i would go into it with you.

From what I've read here, your process seems to be this:

Step 1: Create an idea in your own mind of who God "should" be. Omnibenevolent, that is. Right? And in perfect agreement with your secular humanist "morals"?

Step 2: Discard every part of the Bible which doesn't agree with the Straw God you've created.

Sound about right?

Seriously, you would benefit greatly from my "Getting to Know God" Bible Study Program as outlined a few posts up.

You need to first get to know God as He chooses to present Himself in the Bible. THEN you may practice discernment.

Making up your own god who happens to agree with you on everything isn't Christianity, it's self-worship.

Goodness, with that logic, how can you believe any of the Bible to be valuable at all?

I don't know why he wouldn't think the Koran to be on an equal footing with the Bible, the Satanic Bible, and the Vedas.

[Bret Henderson]

Re: False Christian in need of guidance

I suggest you try my Getting to Know God Bible Study Program.

It's so very simple!

Step 1: Obtain a Bible, preferably King James.

Step 2: Obtain a notebook or notepad.

Step 3: Read Genesis 1.

Step 4: In your notebook, write down what story you just read and where in the Bible it is. (e.g. Genesis 1: Creation.)

Step 5: Write down what the story told you about God. Whom does He love? Whom does He hate? What things please or displease Him?

Step 6: Repeat Steps 3-5 for succeeding chapters of the Bible.

Just completing the Getting to Know God program for the book of Genesis -- the work of an afternoon -- will paint for you a picture of God like you've never known, friend! You will be on your way to an intimate knowledge of God, who is truly nothing like the omnibenevolent wish-granting genie that many preachers would have you worship!

Your favorite verse is from 1 Corinthians, yet you can't find your answer . . . in 1 Corinthians:

There's also 2 Corinthians 6:14-17

Thank you for your reply and yes i am familiar with these verses. it does not provide me with the answers I am looking for. It does not tell me how to deal with my wives ungodly behavior. Although i love her very much the sight of her wearing short skirts, and bathing suits disgusts me.