[gareth the fool]

Re: Hello, I am Tempered.

False. We try to teach the people who come here how to be good Christians. James 5:20 tells us that we turn a person from sin, we save a soul.

But we also read the Epistles of Peter and of John. In 2 Peter 2:20-22 we are told that sinners turn away from us on their own, like a dog returning to its own puke. This is certainly not our fault.

Should we just accept everyone? No. In the first Epistle of John, John warns us that the end of the world is nigh, and we should live righteous lives free from sin. 1 John 2:17-18.

Moreover, the second epistle warns us not to lose ground by mingling with sinners. 2 John 1:7-11. John tells us not to let these people get too close. In fact, John tells us DO NOT RECEIVE THEM in 2 John 1:10.

We provide all comers to Landover access to our extensive understanding of the Bible. We follow the Bible as God commands. We do not sin. 1 John 3:6 and 1 John 4:6. And if the fornicators and the sinners turn away from our message, that is THEIR problem.

Your suggestion that the sheer numbers of all these sinners can turn the battle to the defeat of God in Heaven suggests that God is weak and powerless. I would like to see your scriptural support for the possibility that God can lose Heaven if too many people switch allegiance to Satan.

It's not the defeat of God in heaven, it is a suggested bet. Perhaps Satan places this bet, knowing that the souls in hell outnumber the souls in heaven and if placed on an equal battlefield, armed the same, they may very well win through sheer advantage of numbers.
This is a hypothetical example in which I am just saying that every saved soul is worth the effort put into saving it. It may never HAPPEN but Satan is cunning in his deceit. God would be locked in such a bet. If he accepts the bet he may lose, if he refuses the bet then it is a possible acknowledgement of weakness. I know that sentence alone will spark sentiments of sacrilege but if you only consider the LOGIC of the argument it may make sense.

Yes sinners can turn away on their own, but only through their own judgement of what you provide them. If all I see of the Christians here, if it is the only example of Christians I have is of them being brutally harsh, insulting and rude to me then why would I wilfully choose to become that? I'm not saying you ARE bitter and resentful, as I have examples of Christians who are not like that in my life, I'm saying that is the image you're portraying to me, a potential convert and the possible image you will portray to future persons.

[gareth the fool]

Re: Hello, I am Tempered.

Moreover, the second epistle warns us not to lose ground by mingling with sinners. 2 John 1:7-11. John tells us not to let these people get too close. In fact, John tells us DO NOT RECEIVE THEM in 2 John 1:10.

Your Faith alone will protect you from losing ground while being in the presence of sinners. Your Faith is devout and untouchable, pure. It can not be tarnished by the presence of a sinner, it can be offended, but not changed. I personally believe the sentiment is not that you should NEVER be around them, but that you should not allow them to doubt your own Faith. Is that a misinterpretation? Or only part of it?

[Rev. Edward Clement]

Re: Hello, I am Tempered.

Yes sinners can turn away on their own, but only through their own judgement of what you provide them. If all I see of the Christians here, if it is the only example of Christians I have is of them being brutally harsh, insulting and rude to me then why would I wilfully choose to become that? I'm not saying you ARE bitter and resentful, as I have examples of Christians who are not like that in my life, I'm saying that is the image you're portraying to me, a potential convert and the possible image you will portray to future persons.

That is not what the bibles says, that is what false-Christian hereitics, like your friends say.

You will not get saved when you want to.

John
6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

These "examples" of Christians that you are talking about sound like fluffy bunny false-Christians to me. We are not told to be nice to unbelievers in the bible, we are told to shun you, heathen.


1 Corinthians

6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
6:15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.


I am not going to repeat myself to you again. You will look, and read these scriptures. I have told you twice now.


Titus

3:10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; 3:11 Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.

I see your future and I know that you are going to hell for eternity.

Contrary to what you want to percieve, because you percieve amiss, we True-Christians™ are not bitter. Quite the contrary, we are full of love, and peace, and we have a sound mind, unlike you foul heathens, of course...


1 Timothy
1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

Why are we thus? Because the Lord predetermined that it would be so.

1 Timothy
1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

The WORD says what it says; do not question the WORD!!

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Hello, I am Tempered.

Your Faith alone will protect you from losing ground while being in the presence of sinners. Your Faith is devout and untouchable, pure. It can not be tarnished by the presence of a sinner, it can be offended, but not changed. I personally believe the sentiment is not that you should NEVER be around them, but that you should not allow them to doubt your own Faith. Is that a misinterpretation? Or only part of it?

2 John 1:10 says receive him not in your house. How do you interpret that to mean something completely different than what it says?

1st Corinthians 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

1st Corinthians 5:11 teaches us not to keep company with sinners, nor to eat near them. I suppose you think that means something completely different than what it says.

1st John 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

1st John 2:15 tells us to refrain from loving the world.

Where do you get the idea that we should love the world? Not from the Bible.

It is really just sick, the way you take a Bible quote, use it to defend a position opposite of what it says, and call that an "interpretation". That is not an interpretation. It is a contradiction. You are contradicting scripture when you do that, in such a way as I would only expect from an antiChrist or a false prophet or some other whore of Satan.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Hello, I am Tempered.

I did not join these forums because I am a believer in Christianity, although my belief that Jesus was indeed a true figure in history, and a grand one at that, is not in question.

So where did you find out about Jesus and how did you decide which bits to believe?