[True Disciple]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

You see an Atheist does not "hate" god. Nor does he "love" god, an Atheist is somebody that does not believe in god.

No, you're wrong. Atheism is fed by a deep hatred towards the Creator. It's just that Satan has fooled you, so that you don't realize that it's your own irrational anger at God which makes you disbelieve, not any objective facts.

And since when do Atheists worship monkeys?

Umm....since they invented the false religion of evolution, perhaps?

[ThrustingBoy]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

No, you're wrong. Atheism is fed by a deep hatred towards the Creator. It's just that Satan has fooled you, so that you don't realize that it's your own irrational anger at God which makes you disbelieve, not any objective facts.

No, you're wrong. I can do it too but it sounds just as stupid as when you say it. And I refer to my last post about the difference in hating and not acknowledging. I hold no Anger toward God, I actually like what the idea of God and faith has done for many people in the whole who need it, it has helped a great many people get through hard times.

Umm....since they invented the false religion of evolution, perhaps?

And you have a great understanding of the word worship.
To worship Monkeys is to see them as some sacred or divine deity, which people that believe in evolution do not. They see it as simply something we evolved from into the beings that we are now. And although you don't seem to understand what defines a religion is I will let it slide anyways because you are closer with that than with the worship thing.

[GOD=life]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

Biologists invented and support evilution.

95% of biologists are atheists.

See a pattern?

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

We see it two different ways, you see it as I am ignoring God, but I see it as there being nothing there to ignore. And to Hate something is a very negative passionate feeling towards whatever you are hating, but since Atheists do not believe in God, they are UNABLE to hate him. Whether you disagree or agree with the is not the point. An atheist would still not say that he/she hates God as the poll would suggest, nor would they worship Monkeys. And if I were to worship anything it surely would not be Satan as the thread describing Atheists in the "false religions" thread suggests.

Let's agree to disagree on this. And I hope you will have fun in hell later on . You seem beyond saving. Which is unfortunate since you seem like a nice person, which is unusual for atheists. Most just come here to bash us.

[True Disciple]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

No, you're wrong. I can do it too but it sounds just as stupid as when you say it. And I refer to my last post about the difference in hating and not acknowledging. I hold no Anger toward God, I actually like what the idea of God and faith has done for many people in the whole who need it, it has helped a great many people get through hard times.

Demons made you say this. You are blinded by Satan, so that you cannot even see what is the cause of your unbelief (hatred). God has something to say to you (2 Conrinthians 4:3-4):

But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them

And you have a great understanding of the word worship.
To worship Monkeys is to see them as some sacred or divine deity, which people that believe in evolution do not. They see it as simply something we evolved from into the beings that we are now. And although you don't seem to understand what defines a religion is I will let it slide anyways because you are closer with that than with the worship thing.

We believe God created man, therefore we worship God. You believe monkeys created man, therefore you worship monkeys.

[ThrustingBoy]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

Demons made you say this. You are blinded by Satan, so that you cannot even see what is the cause of your unbelief (hatred). God has something to say to you (2 Conrinthians 4:3-4):

If you can please give me scripture that says that the Devil can keep somebody from believing in God then we will simply agree to disagree.

We believe God created man, therefore we worship God. You believe monkeys created man, therefore you worship monkeys.

Again, look up the word Worship and post what you find, you still don't seem to not be able to comprehend the meaning.

[Wide-Open]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

Again, look up the word Worship and post what you find, you still don't seem to not be able to comprehend the meaning.

For once we agree, although it, sadly, may be down to a typo on your part. Then again, that typo may have been inspired by The LORD!

Jesus always wins friend, never forget that.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

If you can please give me scripture that says that the Devil can keep somebody from believing in God then we will simply agree to disagree.

The only thing we are going to agree with you are signally incurious and igonorant of The Bible

He answered your' question, if you had the energy to crack a Bible open you would have read it. But here you go

2 Corinthians 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Anything else you need spoon fed to you now?

[True Disciple]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

If you can please give me scripture that says that the Devil can keep somebody from believing in God then we will simply agree to disagree.

I just gave you one, you mormon. Satan is the god of this world, in case you didn't know.

Again, look up the word Worship and post what you find, you still don't seem to not be able to comprehend the meaning.

If I'm wrong about the word "worship," why don't you post it's meaning yourself, smart boy.

[ThrustingBoy]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

For once we agree, although it, sadly, may be down to a typo on your part. Then again, that typo may have been inspired by The LORD!

Lol, good one and way to avoid the question, let me help you from the dictionary.com definition of the word Worship...
–noun
1. reverent honor and homage paid to God or a sacred personage, or to any object regarded as sacred.
2. formal or ceremonious rendering of such honor and homage: They attended worship this morning.
3. adoring reverence or regard: excessive worship of business success.
4. the object of adoring reverence or regard.
5. (initial capital letter) British. a title of honor used in addressing or mentioning certain magistrates and others of high rank or station (usually prec. by Your, His, or Her).
–verb (used with object)
6. to render religious reverence and homage to.
7. to feel an adoring reverence or regard for (any person or thing).
–verb (used without object)
8. to render religious reverence and homage, as to a deity.
9. to attend services of divine worship.
10. to feel an adoring reverence or regard.

I am not going to go one by one but have read them all, but you can clearly see that none of them apply to what evolutionists feel towards monkeys or other apes. They are not Gods, we don't hold ceremonies to them, we don't adore them, nor do we pay homage to them.

The only thing we are going to agree with you are signally incurious and igonorant of The Bible

I am asking for a Bible verse and you still say I am incurious? And just because I don't agree with you doesn't make me ignorant any more than you are ignorant for not agreeing with me. But I am guessing you disagree with that lol.

He answered your' question, if you had the energy to crack a Bible open you would have read it. But here you go

2 Corinthians 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

This is saying that I am lost, not that the Devil is blinding me. I am sorry but this answers nothing.

2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Although this is saying that I am blinded it is not saying that the Devil is blinding me. I am sorry but this does not prove through the scripture YOU provided that the Devil can keep somebody from believing in god.

Anything else you need spoon fed to you now?

Wow, now you are simply turning mean on me when I show no disrespect but only offer intelligent questions.

I just gave you one, you mormon. Satan is the god of this world, in case you didn't know.

Mormon? I assume that is code for mormon, but either way I hope some of you guys get infractions for the name calling, I haven't called you guys names once. And no I was not aware that Satan was the God of this world, but if Satan is the God of this world then where does God stand in relation to Satan over the world? This is kind of off topic and will doubtfully reply since I dislike getting to far off topic but is a legitimate question. And please try to answer without the name calling this time, it is really quite childish, if you cannot reply responsibly, please don't reply.

If I'm wrong about the word "worship," why don't you post it's meaning yourself, smart boy.

Done . Now instead of admitting that your are wrong I suspect you will either say something mean, sidestep the point, or just point out something different altogether.

I do not wish to be mean or disrespectful as you all are beginning to be toward me but I do not understand why you all fight me so harshly on the point, it's not like if I am correct then you all will be forced to agree that your religion is false, I am just correcting something said about Atheists.

[A Follower]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

Lol, good one and way to avoid the question, let me help you from the dictionary.com definition of the word Worship...
[...]
I am not going to go one by one but have read them all, but you can clearly see that none of them apply to what evolutionists feel towards monkeys or other apes. They are not Gods, we don't hold ceremonies to them, we don't adore them, nor do we pay homage to them.

I see you conveniently left out the relevant part:

Origin:
bef. 900; (n.) ME wors©hipe, worthssipe, OE worthscipe, var. of weorthscipe; see WORTH, -SHIP; (v.) ME, deriv. of the n.

Worship comes from worth ship, giving something worth. You atheists give monkeys worth by placing them on a pedestal, revering them more than any other animal, because you see monkeys as your parents and grandparents (figuratively of course, I know you atheists claim that there were more generations since you were monkeys).

I am asking for a Bible verse and you still say I am incurious? And just because I don't agree with you doesn't make me ignorant any more than you are ignorant for not agreeing with me. But I am guessing you disagree with that lol.

Now pick up that dictionary again and look up incurious and ignorant. You should find they don't mean the same thing.

Wow, now you are simply turning mean on me when I show no disrespect but only offer intelligent questions.

He said he spoon fed you, how is that mean? Is spoon feeding a baby mean? You are like a baby in your knowledge of Christ, so the only way we can teach you is by spoon feeding, we shall do this until you are capable of reading the Bible on your own.

This is saying that I am lost, not that the Devil is blinding me. I am sorry but this answers nothing.

Although this is saying that I am blinded it is not saying that the Devil is blinding me. I am sorry but this does not prove through the scripture YOU provided that the Devil can keep somebody from believing in god.

Mormon? I assume that is code for mormon, but either way I hope some of you guys get infractions for the name calling, I haven't called you guys names once. And no I was not aware that Satan was the God of this world, but if Satan is the God of this world then where does God stand in relation to Satan over the world? This is kind of off topic and will doubtfully reply since I dislike getting to far off topic but is a legitimate question. And please try to answer without the name calling this time, it is really quite childish, if you cannot reply responsibly, please don't reply.

2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

This verse answers two of your questions: Satan blinds the minds of those who don't believe and it refers to Satan as god of this world. Not as the God, but simply god, but it does show Satan has power on this world.

God rules over Satan, Satan does no worse than God allows, see the first two chapters of Job, and also Matthew 4:10-11 where Jesus commands Satan.

Once you have let Satan deceive yourself you can no longer understand all of the Lord's Word, which might very well cause you to not be able to turn back to God, that's what the quotes you disputed explain. You will follow ways of living that seem right to you, but that God doesn't allow. That doesn't make God wrong, that makes you wrong. To prove God isn't wrong: God anticipated your very actions:

Proverbs 4:12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

Done . Now instead of admitting that your are wrong I suspect you will either say something mean, sidestep the point, or just point out something different altogether.

Of course we won't admit we're wrong, nor will we say something mean. We are not mean, allthough sometimes we get tired of you unbelievers visiting us and being rude to us and never having the knowledge to back up any of your claims. We are never wrong. We all know the Bible very well, we live by it every single day of our lives. We don't have to sidestep any point, all knowledge is in the Holy Word, and we can point it out to you.

I do not wish to be mean or disrespectful as you all are beginning to be toward me but I do not understand why you all fight me so harshly on the point, it's not like if I am correct then you all will be forced to agree that your religion is false, I am just correcting something said about Atheists.

There is nothing correct about atheism.

[ThrustingBoy]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

I see you conveniently left out the relevant part:

Origin:
bef. 900; (n.) ME wors©hipe, worthssipe, OE worthscipe, var. of weorthscipe; see WORTH, -SHIP; (v.) ME, deriv. of the n.

Worship comes from worth ship, giving something worth. You atheists give monkeys worth by placing them on a pedestal, revering them more than any other animal, because you see monkeys as your parents and grandparents (figuratively of course, I know you atheists claim that there were more generations since you were monkeys).

Ok, so you are saying anything that is given some sort of worth is worshiped, then in that case you also worship the devil because you give him worth by avoiding him and everything about it so much. This website alone gives lists of things to avoid that is from the devil, in turning giving him worth in your lives. And if you for some reason disagree with then then let me ask you this question, is it WORTH it to avoid things from the devil? I left out the origin of the word because I felt it was irrelevant to the meaning of the word, and a history lesson about the word wasn't needed. But you once again show how you REFUSE to admit you are wrong about something, atheists do not worship the Devil, we do not believe in him to worship him. but if you want to go by your meaning then I would like you to state that you worship the Devil.

Now pick up that dictionary again and look up incurious and ignorant. You should find they don't mean the same thing.

And I argued two different points because they have two different meanings.

He said he spoon fed you, how is that mean? Is spoon feeding a baby mean? You are like a baby in your knowledge of Christ, so the only way we can teach you is by spoon feeding, we shall do this until you are capable of reading the Bible on your own.

Although the remark was not needed and could have easily be said in a way that would not have been as easily mistaken as being mean, I do in fact see your point on it. And I won't mention how you thinking like I am incapable of reading is mean. (Even though that kind of mentioned it anyway lol)

2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

This verse answers two of your questions: Satan blinds the minds of those who don't believe and it refers to Satan as god of this world. Not as the God, but simply god, but it does show Satan has power on this world.

God rules over Satan, Satan does no worse than God allows, see the first two chapters of Job, and also Matthew 4:10-11 where Jesus commands Satan.

Once you have let Satan deceive yourself you can no longer understand all of the Lord's Word, which might very well cause you to not be able to turn back to God, that's what the quotes you disputed explain. You will follow ways of living that seem right to you, but that God doesn't allow. That doesn't make God wrong, that makes you wrong. To prove God isn't wrong: God anticipated your very actions:

Proverbs 4:12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

This is probably one of my favorite answers I have gotten on these forums very well explained and to the point and I thank you for it. I do have another question about Gods rule over Satan, but it is very much unrelated to the thread.

And most likely last thing I have to say on the subject is that this states that I do not believe in God before I am blinded by Satan, and therefore Satan is not the reason I do not believe in God. But the whole point of the original post is that I do not believe in Satan either and so therefore I certainly do not worship Satan, so I still say that your description of Atheist is incorrect and after this rather long discussion I don't see how you still disagree. Once again, not trying to disprove anything about you people or your religion, just trying to help you understand that Atheists in fact do not worship the Devil.

Of course we won't admit we're wrong, nor will we say something mean. We are not mean, allthough sometimes we get tired of you unbelievers visiting us and being rude to us and never having the knowledge to back up any of your claims.

I have been called a Mormon in this thread alone. Since everybody here knows full well I am not Mormon I can only assume it was meant as something mean. And refusing to admit that you are wrong is rarely ever a good thing.

We are never wrong. We all know the Bible very well, we live by it every single day of our lives. We don't have to sidestep any point, all knowledge is in the Holy Word, and we can point it out to you.

But you are wrong about the description of an Atheist which is what this thread is about and I believe I have proved it through your own scripture, since I did not believe in God or Satan BEFORE I was blinded by Satan then I still do not worship Satan as your description suggests. I know you hate it and will probably never admit it (although it would show more strength on your part if you did) but I have a serious point here. I am not debating on whether being an Atheist is right or wrong, that would be a pointless argument which we both already know the outcome of and that is not what I am trying to prove in this thread. There is a big difference between never being wrong and never admitting that you are wrong.

There is nothing correct about atheism.

Especially your description of them.

[True Disciple]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

Ok, so you are saying anything that is given some sort of worth is worshiped, then in that case you also worship the devil because you give him worth by avoiding him and everything about it so much. This website alone gives lists of things to avoid that is from the devil, in turning giving him worth in your lives. And if you for some reason disagree with then then let me ask you this question, is it WORTH it to avoid things from the devil? I left out the origin of the word because I felt it was irrelevant to the meaning of the word, and a history lesson about the word wasn't needed. But you once again show how you REFUSE to admit you are wrong about something, atheists do not worship the Devil, we do not believe in him to worship him. but if you want to go by your meaning then I would like you to state that you worship the Devil.

There is a difference between giving something worth, like Christians do with God and atheists with monkeys, and just acknowledging something's worth by avoiding its dangers, like Christians do with Satan.

Although the remark was not needed and could have easily be said in a way that would not have been as easily mistaken as being mean, I do in fact see your point on it. And I won't mention how you thinking like I am incapable of reading is mean. (Even though that kind of mentioned it anyway lol)

And most likely last thing I have to say on the subject is that this states that I do not believe in God before I am blinded by Satan, and therefore Satan is not the reason I do not believe in God. But the whole point of the original post is that I do not believe in Satan either and so therefore I certainly do not worship Satan, so I still say that your description of Atheist is incorrect and after this rather long discussion I don't see how you still disagree. Once again, not trying to disprove anything about you people or your religion, just trying to help you understand that Atheists in fact do not worship the Devil.

Matthew 12:30 might help explaining why you do, in fact, worship Satan:

He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

You see, the Lord Jesus here gives you two options; either you're with him, or you are against him, with means with the devil. Just thought you should know.

I have been called a Mormon in this thread alone. Since everybody here knows full well I am not Mormon I can only assume it was meant as something mean. And refusing to admit that you are wrong is rarely ever a good thing.

Okay, I admit, I made a typo, I meant to say "mor-on." (Something is wrong with my browser; he automatically replaces the word mor-on with mormon. I understand it's hard to get the difference sometimes). So:
1. As you talk like a mor-on, it was just honest of me, not mean.
2. I just admitted an error on my part.

Maybe it's time now to stop resisting the Truth™, and accept Jesus as your Lord and Saviour?

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

... rambling on about semantics ... atheists do not worship the Devil, we do not believe in him to worship him

The fact that Satan is very sneaky and that he makes sure a lot of atheists don't even realize they hate Baby Jesus and worship Satan does not change the truth. The truth is that atheists worship Satan. You being convinced you don't worship Satan just proves our point.

Although the remark was not needed and could have easily be said in a way that would not have been as easily mistaken as being mean, I do in fact see your point on it. And I won't mention how you thinking like I am incapable of reading is mean. (Even though that kind of mentioned it anyway lol)

We are being mean. We are trying to get through to you and make you see the truth. And we do think you are incapable of reading. Your weird beliefs being in total contradiction with the Holy Bible make that clear to us.

I do not believe in Satan either and so therefore I certainly do not worship Satan

That just proves Satan has been very successful in deceiving you.

I still say that your description of Atheist is incorrect

I imagine it is from the point of view of an atheist who has been seduced by Satan. But it is very accurate from the point of view of a True Christian.

And refusing to admit that you are wrong is rarely ever a good thing.

It is when you are right.

... more rambling on semantics ...

It's not about dictionaries or winning discussions. And we are all humans so we all make mistakes. But we are trying to save your immortal soul here, don't think lightly about this.

[ThrustingBoy]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

There is a difference between giving something worth, like Christians do with God and atheists with monkeys, and just acknowledging something's worth by avoiding its dangers, like Christians do with Satan.

You still acknowledge the worth though the same as Evolutionists acknowledge the worth of Monkeys. We just don't see them as dangerous but judging by the definition of the word Worship as I described I am still correct in that Evolutionists do not WORSHIP monkeys, or the Devil.

Matthew 12:30 might help explaining why you do, in fact, worship Satan:

He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

You see, the Lord Jesus here gives you two options; either you're with him, or you are against him, with means with the devil. Just thought you should know.

I am sorry to keep this going and hopefully THIS will be my last post lol, but no guarantees .
But this says I am "scathereth abroad" not that I am sided with the Devil. Think of the Trench Warfare of WWI, you had the Eastern front on one side and the Western on the other side, why can't Atheists be stuck in No Mans Land with both sides fighting for them? But whatever your answer is with this I stick by the fact that the meaning of the word Worship proves that Athiest (or evolutionists for that matter) do not Worship Monkeys, or the Devil.

Maybe it's time now to stop resisting the Truth™, and accept Jesus as your Lord and Saviour?

I fear you underestimate my stubbornness but I do thank you for answering my questions and giving me a better understanding of the Bible though. I enjoy learning of religions and what others believe and why which is why I am on these forums I suppose.
And I am not going to bother with responding to Cranky old man since he really answers nothing and is just repeating things.