[Levi Jones]

Re: King-James-Only? WRONG!!!!

I support Farther Thomas Martin as far as his opening thread starter goes. He nailed it with comprehensive dynamic truthful fluency, and facts, and i second his opening thread not knowing anything about the man, this being my first post in these forums.
I have spent the last five years of my life translating the ultimate bible to put an end to all the wrangling over which is best, and thus share father martins sentiments and opinions, which is exactly why i have done my version, among other reasons.
The king James version is merely a revision of other earlier versions which is why it is 80% identical to the earlier Geneva and William tyndale versions. It rides on the back of work achieved by earlier scholars like those who did the Bishops bible, the Coverdale bible, and others.
I can state unequivocally that the king james bible has errors and questionable translation in many verses and also is now long outdated in it's use of 4 hundred year old English language, and my version revises it and fixes the problem beautifully. I better say my earlier statement again-five years now i've been doing it! You can bet your life on it that someone has finally nailed it.

Let's look into your post a bit more.

Yeah, you really agree with Mr. Martin. You believe the Latin Vulgate is the ultimate authority.

According to you, the KJV is a derivative of other English translations. Well, gosh I don't know how that could have happened, butterscotch.

Maybe because they translated from the same sources? Did that ever cross your noggin?

my version revises it and fixes the problem beautifully. I better say my earlier statement again-five years now i've been doing it! You can bet your life on it that someone has finally nailed it.

Of course you have, sweetcheeks. I should take your word over hundreds of years of textual criticism.

[MitzaLizalor]

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sweeper wrote:
QUOTE: I have spent the last five years of my life translating the ultimate bible to put an end to all the wrangling

..so have a lot of other people

HERE ARE SOME EXAMPLES OF THE RESULTS


We use the King James Authorized Version of 1611 as the standard here, and I will take Psalm 23 as a well known passage.

PSALM 23 ©1611
1 [A Psalme of Dauid.] The Lord is my shepheard, I shall not want.
2 He maketh me to lie downe in greene pastures: he leadeth mee beside the still waters.
3 He restoreth my soule: he leadeth me in the pathes of righteousnes, for his names sake.
4 Yea though I walke through the valley of the shadowe of death, I will feare no euill: for thou art with me, thy rod and thy staffe, they comfort me.
5 Thou preparest a table before me, in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oyle, my cuppe runneth ouer.
6 Surely goodnes and mercie shall followe me all the daies of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the Lord for euer.


There was a further publication of the King James Bible in 1769, with the spelling updated where necessary, and it is the version most people would be familiar with. Today's spellings are the same, and although we use a simplified, vaguer grammar it is still easy to understand.

PSALM 23 ©1769
1 The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want.
2 He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.
3 He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.
4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.
5 Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.
6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.


Then people decided they didn't like that sort of a God, and all the distorted, false and outright demonic translations started to arrive.They have been commented on elsewhere, but a swift progression down this path to delusion is clear. Beginning with Bobby McFerrin's "improvements" (sic)

PSALM 23 ©Bobby McFerrin
1 The Lord is my Shepard, I have all I need,
She makes me lie down in green meadows,
Beside the still waters, She will lead.

3 She restores my soul, She rights my wrongs,
She leads me in a path of good things,
And fills my heart with songs.

4 Even though I walk, through a dark and dreary land,
There is nothing that can shake me,
She has said She won't forsake me,
I'm in her hand.

5 She sets a table before me, in the presence of my foes,
She anoints my head with oil,
And my cup overflows.

6 Surely, surely goodness and kindness will follow me,
All the days of my life,
And I will live in her house,
Forever, forever and ever.

Glory be to our Mother, and Daughter,
And to the Holy of Holies,
As it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be,
World, without end. Amen

Once people twig that they can make up any kind of God they like, the sky's the limit! They don't seen to twig that they're careering headlong down the slippery slope to Hell! They can just leave that bit out, I suppose. Anyway, here's the next "updated" Psalm:

PSALM 23 ©sophianetwork
1 The Lord is my mother; I shall not be in want.

She makes me lie down in fresh clean sheets and tucks me in and kisses me goodnight, and while I sleep she sorts everything out, ready for the morning.
She makes me cups of tea and ginger cake when I get home from school, and shepherds pie for supper with plenty of fresh vegetables.

She leads me away from the TV to the kitchen table
where we have space to talk without interruptions.
She listens to even the smallest of my worries and helps me get things in perspective.
She restores my soul.

She guides me through the mysteries of how to be a righteous woman, for her name’s sake.

4 Even though I walk past the bus stop
where the big boys threaten me
and the bitchy girls laugh at me,
I will fear no evil for you are with me.
Your strength beside me and your hand in mine,
they comfort and sustain me.

5 You prepare Sunday lunch for me in the presence of my enemies, to remind me that I’ll always have a place to belong.

You have every confidence in me and my future; you are my champion and my biggest fan.

My life overflows with the love you have given me from my very first breath to my first grey hair and beyond.

6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life and I shall dwell in the house of the Lord forever.


And sure enough, talking about slippery slopes, before you know it they're in deep psychosis and reaching for the vaseline! Here we go then, from Naijapals..

PSALM 23 ©naijapals
1. The Lord na my shephard, i dey Gidibaaa.
2. E make me sidon for where betta dey flow and come put me next to stream make mai bodi thermacool.
3. E panel beat mai soul come spray am white, come dey lead me dey go through express road of righteousness sake of Hin name.
4. Walahi, if I waka pass where arm robber, 419 and juju people boku, come even join okada reach valley of the shadow of death sef, mai bodi dey inside cloth. Your rod and staff nko ? Na so dem dey like back bone dey comfort me.
5. You don prepare Egusi and Pounded yam make I chop. All mai enemies dey look waa waa. You rub me for head wit vaseline intensive lotion. mai cup na River Niger wey
overflow hin bank.
6. True true, betta life and mercy go gum mai back till I quench. And man pikin go tenda for God house from lai lai to lai lai.
GOD ALMIGTHY NA YOU BIKO
AMEN



Standards exist for a reason. The guidance afforded to the apostles, the voice of God heard by the prophets, the visions granted to His servants everywhere are the very antithesis of psychotic delusions such as motivate these "new age" re-interpereters of scripture, and is equally available to us today through the inspiration of those scholars assembled for His purpose to provide Scriptures in the language He has chosen to unify His children.

[DeadMan89]

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Uh, you haven't ever watched these moies, have you.

Your buddy Darth was a tool of satan. Like you, bead counter.

Kind of like how your a tool in general? Whether it's of Satan is up to debate. FYI, Darth Vader himself was the one who killed the Emperor and ended thhe empire, as there was good in him.

[SUV]

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JESUS, that awful Earl "Fatha" Hines is back? Just in time to ruin Christmas. Why aren't my Prayers ever answered?

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: King-James-Only? WRONG!!!!

I have spent the last five years of my life translating the ultimate bible to put an end to all the wrangling over which is best, and thus share father martins sentiments and opinions, which is exactly why i have done my version, among other reasons.

Dare I guess which "ultimate Bible" that is, he who does not bother to capitalize "Bible"?

Clifton, is that you, dear?

[sweeper]

Re: King-James-Only? WRONG!!!!

Gee whizz, there is a lot of self righteous negativity and stubborn attitudes in this forum. Oh well, i guess ignorance is bliss huh. You have written my version off before you have even red or seen it. Proverbs says that "he who answers a matter before he's investigated it properly, it is shame and folly unto him". I can assure you the King James Bible is riddled with mistakes. Yes i share your opinions that all modern versions are extremely suspect to say the least, and woefully lacking in accuracy, which is why i had to fix the problem. The thee's and thou's etc in the king james are quite nice and i like them, but there are plenty of words in the king james that simply prohibit todays teenagers from getting much out of it. Words like dissimulation, variance, and emulations, create problems for those who don't know what it means, and also the word "study" means to "do your best" or "make an effort" There is a verse in the king james which says "study to be quiet" Does God need people to "study" to be quite does he? You see what i mean? These are only a few examples, add to that the myriad of outdated back to front sentence structures, all the mistranslations, and the "literal" approach the king james scholars had to translating, and quite frankly they ended up with a mess. I have fixed the problem and are aware of all the finger pointing from king james bible followers about certain wordings and in some instances they are justified, in others they are not because they haven't got a clue what the original greek is actually saying, and therefore why i state in my preface that it all comes down to opinions by scholars on how to translate and what the original greek words are actually saying in our language.
Could any of you possibly believe that God has used me to bring the king james into the twenty first century with a much higher percentage of accuracy. Well he has, and you will all be shocked when you read it. God has finally given us what we needed. The fluency clarity and accuracy in every single verse of my version is simply off the charts and i declare it to be the most up to date and accurate version of the bible ever made, because God had commissioned me to do it, and so helped me achieve a level of accuracy that hitherto has not been achieved.I red (yes i know it's spelt read) the king james for years and grew tired of it because it is simply outdated and old hat. So as it says in Hebrews "And that which decays and grows old is ready to vanish away".

[Melvin K. Dobbs]

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Gee whizz, there is a lot of self righteous negativity and stubborn attitudes in this forum. Oh well, i guess ignorance is bliss huh. You have written my version off before you have even red or seen it. Proverbs says that "he who answers a matter before he's investigated it properly, it is shame and folly unto him". I can assure you the King James Bible is riddled with mistakes. Yes i share your opinions that all modern versions are extremely suspect to say the least, and woefully lacking in accuracy, which is why i had to fix the problem. The thee's and thou's etc in the king james are quite nice and i like them, but there are plenty of words in the king james that simply prohibit todays teenagers from getting much out of it. Words like dissimulation, variance, and emulations, create problems for those who don't know what it means, and also the word "study" means to "do your best" or "make an effort" There is a verse in the king james which says "study to be quiet" Does God need people to "study" to be quite does he? You see what i mean? These are only a few examples, add to that the myriad of outdated back to front sentence structures, all the mistranslations, and the "literal" approach the king james scholars had to translating, and quite frankly they ended up with a mess. I have fixed the problem and are aware of all the finger pointing from king james bible followers about certain wordings and in some instances they are justified, in others they are not because they haven't got a clue what the original greek is actually saying, and therefore why i state in my preface that it all comes down to opinions by scholars on how to translate and what the original greek words are actually saying in our language.
Could any of you possibly believe that God has used me to bring the king james into the twenty first century with a much higher percentage of accuracy. Well he has, and you will all be shocked when you read it. God has finally given us what we needed. The fluency clarity and accuracy in every single verse of my version is simply off the charts and i declare it to be the most up to date and accurate version of the bible ever made, because God had commissioned me to do it, and so helped me achieve a level of accuracy that hitherto has not been achieved.I red (yes i know it's spelt read) the king james for years and grew tired of it because it is simply outdated and old hat. So as it says in Hebrews "And that which decays and grows old is ready to vanish away".

The KJV1611 Holy Bible is not old. It is not decaying. We read it. We study it. It is God's Word. God's Word...Doesn't fade away. Now, I suggest to you that you read it again, and maybe you could understand the full meaning of God's Word.

YIC,
Melvin K. Dobbs.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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Dear papist dog;

Please see my sermon on the subject HERE.

YIC,

--Pastor Ezekiel

[BelieverInGod]

Re: King-James-Only? WRONG!!!!

I could read the KJV Bible at the age of 6, this is not really a miraculous feat as it was considered the norm when I was growing up.

Just because teenagers are retarded these days is no reason to dumb down the word of God. Instead to quote the Great GWB "Rarely is the question asked: is our children learning?"

But since it is the end times, no I don't believe that "you brought the Bible into the 21st century". The KJV Bible stood for over 350 years before we needed all of these modern "translations", so why all of a sudden do we need them?

2nd Timothy 4:1-5 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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Landover Baptist Faith and Message statement
"The Holy Bible, KJV1611, was written by men divinely inspired and is God's revelation of Himself to man. It is a perfect treasure of divine instruction. It has God for its author, salvation for its end, and truth, without any mixture of error, for its matter. Therefore, all Scripture therein is totally true and trustworthy.”

[...]You have written my version off before you have even red or seen it.[...]

If it's in KJV all you are doing is repeating it; if it is not in KJV, it's wrong.

[Gabriel Reproba]

Re: King-James-Only? WRONG!!!!

Gee whizz, there is a lot of self righteous negativity and stubborn attitudes in this forum. Oh well, i guess ignorance is bliss huh. You have written my version off before you have even red or seen it. Proverbs says that "he who answers a matter before he's investigated it properly, it is shame and folly unto him". I can assure you the King James Bible is riddled with mistakes. Yes i share your opinions that all modern versions are extremely suspect to say the least, and woefully lacking in accuracy, which is why i had to fix the problem. The thee's and thou's etc in the king james are quite nice and i like them, but there are plenty of words in the king james that simply prohibit todays teenagers from getting much out of it. Words like dissimulation, variance, and emulations, create problems for those who don't know what it means, and also the word "study" means to "do your best" or "make an effort" There is a verse in the king james which says "study to be quiet" Does God need people to "study" to be quite does he? You see what i mean? These are only a few examples, add to that the myriad of outdated back to front sentence structures, all the mistranslations, and the "literal" approach the king james scholars had to translating, and quite frankly they ended up with a mess. I have fixed the problem and are aware of all the finger pointing from king james bible followers about certain wordings and in some instances they are justified, in others they are not because they haven't got a clue what the original greek is actually saying, and therefore why i state in my preface that it all comes down to opinions by scholars on how to translate and what the original greek words are actually saying in our language.
Could any of you possibly believe that God has used me to bring the king james into the twenty first century with a much higher percentage of accuracy. Well he has, and you will all be shocked when you read it. God has finally given us what we needed. The fluency clarity and accuracy in every single verse of my version is simply off the charts and i declare it to be the most up to date and accurate version of the bible ever made, because God had commissioned me to do it, and so helped me achieve a level of accuracy that hitherto has not been achieved.I red (yes i know it's spelt read) the king james for years and grew tired of it because it is simply outdated and old hat. So as it says in Hebrews "And that which decays and grows old is ready to vanish away".

TL;DR

Are you going to accept Jesus into your heart?

[SUV]

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Gee whizz

This is a Christian website and we are not into scatology.

We use Smileys to express the more unsavory sort of things if need be

[Ksevio]

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Father Martin:

Before 1611, there were Bibles written in imperfect langauges that contained imperfections put in my man. With the KJV 1611, God directed the improvements to the text which gives us the perfection we have today. Other versions just distort that perfection and cannot be the true word of God.

[MitzaLizalor]

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Just because teenagers are retarded these days is no reason to dumb down the word of God.

If the specimens that turn up here are anything to go by, semi-literate ignoramuses, oblivious even to the tenets of doctrines they think they are promoting - and rude - they will never understand anything much at all. Imagine their surprise when one day, reality materialises: KBOOM! before their very eyes.

Reading at 6 is essential for developing rational thinking. By 7 years it is too late to start, because of the way the brain is developing. That is why "moderm" (=crackpot) education is the backbone of all socialist agendas.

Politicians often lampoon one another as "incapable of joined up thinking" and it is one of their better jibes I always think; how apt a description of the human flotsam drifting through here!

But not all teenagers are so blighted.

The KJV Bible stood for over 350 years before we needed all of these modern "translations", so why all of a sudden do we need them?

..and why are they all different? When the translators of 1611 undertook their task they delivered a finer outcome than mere human agency could afford. And it has endured: compare for example the fate of the New English Bible.

They included in their plan (God's plan) a penultimate re-reading and updating of everything that had been done, which resulted in a final 1769 edition using the modern spelling that many are familiar with.

Words like thee, thou, thine are still spelled that way today (when used) and expressions such as "my cup runneth over" from Psalm 23:5 are employed in that earlier form, which is still correct English. The earlier spelling: my cuppe runneth ouer is not generally used, and the updated spelling of 1769 is fully a part of the original stated intention of the 1611 transaltors. Additional info here.

When I selected music as a teenager, some of what I liked was annoying to adults. That was not the only reason I chose it - or even a reason at all - but however annoying it might have been, it did not advocate murder, rape, theft or grievous bodily harm. It did not even suggest it, and that would have been as abhorrant to me as to the adults. Generally I avoided adults. If someone criticised my music, I couldn't have cared less.

It probably was some sort of influence on me, but I thought of music as reflecting my opinions rather than inspiring them (but didn't associate my opinions with music much, at all: I do now, to some extent, though). The modern approach to cult bands is that of the delusional obsessive. Threads here here illustrate that.
Joined up thinking? NOT ON YOUR NELLIE ! !

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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Dare I guess which "ultimate Bible" that is, he who does not bother to capitalize "Bible"?

Clifton, is that you, dear?

I asked you a question, Sweeper. What "ultimate Bible" is yours?